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Old 04-19-2019, 06:03 PM   #46
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And that's fine, Flint.

Me: I think the solution is in the opposite direction.

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Glatt, I was harsh...you're not a moron or stupid, just naive.

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Old 04-23-2019, 06:38 PM   #47
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We have here a diverse field of candidates, of different ethnicity, gender, orientation and race. Now, let's watch, as the intersectionally-driven media officially loses its fucking shit.

Newsweek tweeted headline: "Pete Buttigieg has a problem with black voters, and his town hall answer on incarcerated voters shows it"

Replies: "Newsweek, did you just post wildly racist clickbait? Do you figure all blacks are criminals, and vice versa?"

Newsweek: "Well uh" (deletes tweet)

Replies: "I think the original headline told the truth pretty well, it just told the truth about you instead of the issue."
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Old 04-24-2019, 02:55 PM   #48
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...Newsweek tweeted headline:"Pete Buttigieg has a problem with black voters, and his town hall answer on incarcerated voters shows it"...
They seem to have forgotten for a moment that Buttigieg is a democrat.

That's the sort of crap they normally reserve for republicans. Glad they straightened that out.
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Old 04-24-2019, 09:01 PM   #49
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It always surprises me when people don't seem to know the extent that the Left side of the political spectrum brutally cannibalizes itself on a daily basis. Progressives hate Liberals because they think they're Centrists. Far-Left factions think Progressives don't take direct enough action, and if you really want to see a group of people that cannot agree on anything, watch a group of Communists attack each others' credentials. "You haven't read the right books!" Then you have the Democratic Socialists, whom the hard Socialists think will never accomplish anything meaningful.

But, after 20 years of Fox News putting the "Socialist" label on Center-Right Liberals, the "Left" is just one big amorphous blob.



In short, if you think Democrats won't attack a Democrat, hoo boy.
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Old 04-25-2019, 01:17 PM   #50
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"if you think Democrats won't attack a Democrat, hoo boy."

Yeah, but they won't do it right: with guns.
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Old 04-25-2019, 03:08 PM   #51
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Flint,

Could you recommend something as a reference? Online blog or something similar? Something you read online regularly? Something quick for you to post?

You have made some good points but it's still your opinion. It's counter to what I've observed. I do read things that are completely opposite of my opinion but have not seen examples as you have described.
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Old 04-25-2019, 03:22 PM   #52
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Democrats who supported Hillary in the 2016 primary, and Democrats who supported Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primary. Anything that any one of them has ever posted, anywhere; any article in any paper that's ever been written about it; anything that mentions either one of them, to this day.

Start there?
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Old 04-25-2019, 05:31 PM   #53
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It happens all the time. My post about Chelsea Clinton getting attacked was this escalation:

1. Rep. Omar attacked moderate Dem support of Israel

2. Chelsea lightly attacked Rep. Omar

3. Progressive students vigorously attacked Chelsea

and add:

4. Lefty pundits attacked Chelsea or progressive students, depending on where they sat

All the time. I'll try to find more examples.

The intersectional identity politics wing is practically designed to be in a constant state of attack.
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Old 04-25-2019, 05:53 PM   #54
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It's not just Reps vs. AOC, it's just as often Dems vs. AOC

AOC vs Biden spat "AOC group condemns 'old guard' Joe Biden as candidate of 'no we can't'"

Lieberman vs AOC vs Lieberman spat "'New party, who dis?': Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez mocks Joe Lieberman after he said she wasn't future"

The next POTUS candidate will split the Dems. A moderate will annoy the progressives. A progressive will annoy the moderates. The divide is palpable. The time of the reformation is at hand.
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Old 04-26-2019, 02:26 AM   #55
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...Start there?...
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All the time. I'll try to find more examples.

The intersectional identity politics wing is practically designed to be in a constant state of attack.
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It's not just Reps vs. AOC, it's just as often Dems vs. AOC
Thank you.
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Old 04-26-2019, 01:10 PM   #56
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Nancy Pelosi calls the Green New Deal the "Green Dream, or whatever" (a big ƒuck you to AOC and Justice Democrats)

Beto makes a point to self identify as "a Capitalist" (distances himself from any variety of Solcialism, or the candidates who espouse them)

Biden says "rich people are not the problem with our country" (distances himself from any candidate who wants more progressive taxation)
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Old 04-26-2019, 05:27 PM   #57
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About 12% of Bernie voters wound up voting for Trump last time. In a new Emerson College poll, over 20 percent of Bernie supporters are saying they would not vote for other Democratic candidates if the senator loses the primary.

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The poll also found that 21% of Sanders supporters said they would vote for Trump in the general election if Buttigieg won the primary, 26% said they would vote for Trump if Warren won the primary, 18% said they would vote for Trump if O’Rourke won the primary, and 17% said they would vote for Trump if Harris won the primary.
Bernie has a strong protectionist vibe, and has said Trump actually does not go far enough along NAFTA lines. Bernie is a nationalist who advocates for a strong US.

There is a reverse component here which is also interesting:

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Oddly, 5% of Sanders supporters said they would vote for Trump if Sanders won the primary.
These are Democratic Trump voters. It appears Democratic Trump voters are most likely to be Bernie voters in the Primary.
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Old 04-26-2019, 06:13 PM   #58
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It's called "brand insistence" --when your customers only want YOUR brand of hotdogs. If the other brand of hot dogs is all that's available, the customers will either eat hamburgers, or just leave.
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Old 04-26-2019, 08:36 PM   #59
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nobody notices they're all just tubes of meat, almost identical




the politicians, i mean
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Old 04-26-2019, 09:07 PM   #60
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Every time I see AOC, I think *appellation d'origine contrôlée (AOC) and I wonder what she tastes like.

*The French certification granted to certain French geographical indications for wines, cheeses, butters, and other agricultural products.
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