Why didn't Hollywood save New Orleans?

[Undertoad]

Sean Penn is on CNN right now, he's down there working in N.O. Although he used most of his CNN airtime criticizing the feds

[xoxoxoBruce]

Hey UT, send them some zuchinnis.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Hey UT, send them some zuchinnis.

They don't want them either.

I warned you about the zukes.

[Undertoad]

FEMA isn't a cabinet-level post.

Well it would appear Mr. Penn's effort was a failure.

update, and then later a success

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

FEMA isn't a cabinet-level post.

Well it would appear Mr. Penn's effort was a failure.

update, and then later a success

Ok, technically FEMA is no longer a cabinet level post, having been demoted beneath the Department of Homeland Security.

Heres a nice article on Destroying FEMA

[Undertoad]

I told you that every time you bring up the aluminum tubes again, I would find another place on the Cellar where you were mistaken.

In this thread, tw blamed the breakup of the space shuttle Columbia on Bush budget cuts for NASA. "George Jr's massive spending cuts imposed on NASA to put money into boondoogles such as the anti-ballistic missile system." However, when pressed, tw could not identify any such budget cuts, and actually failed to reply at all until pushed hard. It turned out there had actually been a 1/2 Billion increase. tw was wrong.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I told you that every time you bring up the aluminum tubes again, I would find another place on the Cellar where you were mistaken. ...
However, when pressed, tw could not identify any such budget cuts, and actually failed to reply at all until pushed hard. It turned out there had actually been a 1/2 Billion increase. tw was wrong.

If UT read all of that previous discussion, first the shuttles needed $2.2 billion of upgrades. Second, the ISS was comsuming another $8 billion. So George Jr only gave them $0.5 billion - and UT does not call that a funding increase? Furthermore, Columbia needed a major refurbishment. Therefore Columbia was to be retired rather than spend money. Instead, under George Jr, Columbia was not retired and a minor (considered insufficient) refurbishment was performed. They did not provide the necessary money.

Meanwhile TW never said the Columbia was exclusively a result of George Jr bean counting - as UT misrepresents. Cost cutting was discussed early as a contributing factor. Later posted were the reasons for that disaster from the investigation report:

Both Columbia and Challenger were lost also because of the failure of NASA's organizational system. ... This chapter shows how previous political, budgetary, and policy decisions by leaders at the White House, Congress, and NASA impacted the Space Shuttle Program's structure, culture, and safety system, and how these in turn resulted in flawed decision-making for both accidents.
The explanation is about system effects: how actions taken in one layer of NASA's organizational system impact other layers. History is not just a backdrop or a scene-setter. History is cause. History set the Columbia and Challenger accidents in motion.
Connecting the parts of NASA's organizational system and drawing the parallels with Challenger demonstrate three things. First, despite all the post-Challenger changes at NASA and the agency's notable achievements since, the causes of the institutional failure responsible for Challenger have not been fixed.

Curious. Management failures were responsible for both disasters. Cited by other sources is the lady boss who specifically stopped every engineer attempt to save seven lives.

Ironically, the reason for so many deaths in New Orleans is the same reason for death of seven Columbia astronauts.

Meanwhile, UT started this by taking cheap and insulting shots at TW. My response to his interpretation: a classic example - Pearl Harboring of Iraq by promoting a lie - those alumunim tubes. No way around this fact when one posts insults rather than stick to logical responses.

Original question is easy to answer IF personal biases are kept out. Show me where George Jr is not acting as a racist? Amazing how that is converted by UT into some kind of political statement, instead of a simple question of fact.

Rather than continue with these childish and irrelevant accusations, UT, why not instead answer the original question? Its not difficult to keep your political baggage out of a simple question. Its an easy question to answer. Swallow your personal agenda (don't act like a Fox News reporter) and stick to facts. That is not what you did when you kept hyping those aluminum tubes for a mythical WMD.

Show me where George Jr did anything last week to dispell the rumors of racism. Show me.

It's just not a difficult question. Show me.

Sorry to interrupt your hissy match with UT, but I can't help but be curious, tw. Why do you refer to yourself in the third person as in "Meanwhile TW never said..."? I know that in formal writing it is frowned upon if one uses the first person since it is a given that the writing is done from the author's perpective. However, even if you are attempting to follow the Chicago Manual of Style here in the highly informal cellar, wouldn't you write, "Meanwhile, it was never said..."

I just mention this because everytime you do this it throws me for a moment and I have to go back and check who wrote the post. I'm retarded I know.

OK, carry on!

[wolf]

A white man can never prove that he is not a racist. It is automatically assumed, and much like an accusation of child molestation, the taint can never be removed.

Originally Posted by wolf

A white man can never prove that he is not a racist. It is automatically assumed, and much like an accusation of child molestation, the taint can never be removed.

Well, Wolf I don't know about NEVER, but the tragedy of our country is that Jim Crow is still alive and well, although now mostly underground. My father was 1/2 Cherokee and looked full blooded Cherokee. He did run into prejudice, especially back in the 50's and 60's. I look much like my Swiss Mom, so no problem. But its out there. Believe me, its out there, although getting better.

[bargalunan]

Originally Posted by NICOTINEGUN

I still think the Bush Administration created a machine that can create and manipulate hurricanes and did so in New Orleans to specifically target the black community. That's racist, Man. Can you believe an administration would do that? It's horrible

I agree with you, it's horrible and technically it's difficult to believe in.

But as an ideology we don't need to believe, but look back at history :
- Nazi's administration planned industrial extermination of Jewish, Tziganes, Blacks, Gays, Disabled...
(Extermination camps were tried by Germans in Africa, in Namibia in 1904 (before Hitler) against the Herero tribe).
(Nazis reached the power democratically)
- French WW2 Vichy administration against Jewish too... Trains were arriving on time.
- Communist administration in URSS (goulags)
- and so many others

I don't say that's what happened in NO.

But some peole are so in lack of humanity that they can imagine the worst against people they feel different.
If they've got the power, the administration they control can realise their crazy ideas, using the most efficient technologies.

[bargalunan]

In the Associated Press's article the black guy has looted a grocery

In AFP'one the two white ones have found bread and soda

[Hemlock]

Originally Posted by bargalunan

In the Associated Press's article the black guy has looted a grocery

In AFP'one the two white ones have found bread and soda

They are different news agencies.

AFP = Agence France-Presse

AP = Associated Press

Learn to read before you spout off "racism" that someone has shown you. It could be that they have different standards for captions. Perhaps one will not sue the word "looter." Just because the guy who I caught breaking into my house was black, I am not racist for calling him a thief.

Originally Posted by Hemlock

They are different news agencies.

AFP = Agence France-Presse

AP = Associated Press

Learn to read before you spout off "racism" that someone has shown you. It could be that they have different standards for captions. Perhaps one will not sue the word "looter." Just because the guy who I caught breaking into my house was black, I am not racist for calling him a thief.

Oh, I don't see the French as having any problem with the word "loot," especially on an international story. If anyone was going to be afraid of law suits, it would be the US news agency which used that term in our litigenous society. I think you are being just a bit disengenuous here.

The problem would arise if you call the black guy who broke into your house a thief, but called the white guy who broke in someone who was "borrowing" something. That's what those two news captions illustrate.

[bargalunan]

Originally Posted by Hemlock

They are different news agencies. AFP = Agence France-Presse, AP = Associated Press
Learn to read before you spout off "racism" that someone has shown you. It could be that they have different standards for captions. Perhaps one will not sue the word "looter." Just because the guy who I caught breaking into my house was black, I am not racist for calling him a thief.

I don't like your too emotional answer.
This subject seems too sensitive for you. Read my message again.
Meanwhile you're right : this example would be stronger if the two captions were written by only one news agency. (AP or AFP, that doesn't matter).

Originally Posted by marichiko

Oh, I don't see the French as having any problem with the word "loot," especially on an international story. If anyone was going to be afraid of law suits, it would be the US news agency which used that term in our litigenous society. I think you are being just a bit disengenuous here.

The problem would arise if you call the black guy who broke into your house a thief, but called the white guy who broke in someone who was "borrowing" something. That's what those two news captions illustrate.

Thank you Marichiko again