Evolutionary Science-v- Creationism - Page 20

Happy Monkey · 01-08-2005, 09:04 PM

There isn't a container. Imagine a 2-dimensional universe is the surface of a baloon, with a bunch of stars drawn on it. If the baloon is inflated, the stars get further apart, even though they aren't moving into empty space (remember, the air inside and outside the baloon aren't part of the 2d universe). Unlike ink on a baloon, matter has several forces stronger than the baloon holding it close together, so the stars themselves don't expand along with the empty space.

wolf · 01-08-2005, 09:51 PM

But the balloon gets bigger. That's what I meant. The stuff inside stays the same size and gets further apart, but the outside moves ...

Happy Monkey · 01-08-2005, 10:14 PM

No, the universe is the surface of the baloon, not the contents.

wolf · 01-08-2005, 10:37 PM

But the images on the balloon's surface are two dimensions ... and the universe as it is expanding is a three dimensional construct isn't it?

(I missed a lot of science classes along the way. My university considered "computer science" a "science" and that's how I filled my requirement ... no bio, no physics. I did take chemistry though, and promptly forgot all of it. Except the things that exploded.)

Happy Monkey · 01-09-2005, 07:51 AM

Perhaps our 3d universe is expanding into another dimension, but that's not visible from the point of view of us 3d creatures, just as the air woudn't be visible to 2d creatures on the baloon.

tw · 01-09-2005, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Perhaps our 3d universe is expanding into another dimension, but that's not visible from the point of view of us 3d creatures, just as the air woudn't be visible to 2d creatures on the baloon.

Welcome to string theory.

OnyxCougar · 01-19-2005, 05:05 AM

Sorry, TS. I don't check all the threads every day, and sometimes the posts build up on me. Damn dynamic Cellar!!

Brown Thrasher · 01-20-2005, 06:16 PM

Come on people, how can anything concerning the reason for life be a scientific fact.
On the other hand, how can so many people believe in a story passed through generations. It appears to me, to be an intellectual battle going on. Give it a break, unless you can absolutely prove either theory, why not move on to other things. I watched the inaguaration today. When the President and his wife got out of that limousine, I was really afraid they would be shot. I will starting today try and worry more about what may happen today. Why is it so important to be right, when in your own minds, if your honest, you just believe a theory passed on by another human. Humans are not without flaw. I don't care how smart they are or how smart they think they are. If i could just live in the now.........

Happy Monkey · 01-20-2005, 06:37 PM

Evolution says nothing about the reason for life. That's a subject for philosophy, not science.

OnyxCougar · 01-21-2005, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Evolution says nothing about the reason for life. That's a subject for philosophy, not science.

No, it's not about the reason for life, it's about origin of life.

Brown Thrasher · 02-02-2005, 03:51 PM

It seems God does not exist; Because if one of two contraries be infinite, the other would be destroyed. However, the name God means infinite goodness. If therfore he did exist there would be no evil. There is evil in the world.

Larry King, CNN was very interesting on 1/31/05 when evolution and other issues related to evolution and religion were discussed.

glatt · 02-03-2005, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Brown Thrasher

It seems God does not exist; Because if one of two contraries be infinite, the other would be destroyed. However, the name God means infinite goodness. If therfore he did exist there would be no evil. There is evil in the world.

This makes no sense. Two infinites can exist at the same time. To visualize this graphically, think of a standard pie chart showing multiple slices. Now remove the outer edge of the pie chart and expand that outer edge to infinity. You still have the same number of slices, and each one is infinite in size.

You can have an infinite number of infinities.

Troubleshooter · 02-03-2005, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

This makes no sense.

Am I the only person to notice the correlation of 'Brown Thrasher' with 'Shit Stirrer'?

Brown Thrasher · 02-16-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Evolution says nothing about the reason for life. That's a subject for philosophy, not science.

I may be wrong, but I thought this was a philosophy site. If this discussion is not based on philosophical thought, why not move it to a better suited scientific site. However, living in the 21st century, we cannot prove DNA 100% accurate, so why the argument on such a subjective subject?

tw · 02-17-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brown Thrasher

I may be wrong, but I thought this was a philosophy site. If this discussion is not based on philosophical thought, why not move it to a better suited scientific site.

Religion is only a science that became so introverted as to not advance itself. And that is the overall philosophy.

Did I miss any important buzz words?

01-08-2005, 09:04 PM	#1
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	There isn't a container. Imagine a 2-dimensional universe is the surface of a baloon, with a bunch of stars drawn on it. If the baloon is inflated, the stars get further apart, even though they aren't moving into empty space (remember, the air inside and outside the baloon aren't part of the 2d universe). Unlike ink on a baloon, matter has several forces stronger than the baloon holding it close together, so the stars themselves don't expand along with the empty space. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-08-2005, 09:51 PM	#2
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	But the balloon gets bigger. That's what I meant. The stuff inside stays the same size and gets further apart, but the outside moves ... __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-08-2005, 10:14 PM	#3
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	No, the universe is the surface of the baloon, not the contents. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-08-2005, 10:37 PM	#4
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	But the images on the balloon's surface are two dimensions ... and the universe as it is expanding is a three dimensional construct isn't it? (I missed a lot of science classes along the way. My university considered "computer science" a "science" and that's how I filled my requirement ... no bio, no physics. I did take chemistry though, and promptly forgot all of it. Except the things that exploded.) __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-09-2005, 07:51 AM	#5
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Perhaps our 3d universe is expanding into another dimension, but that's not visible from the point of view of us 3d creatures, just as the air woudn't be visible to 2d creatures on the baloon. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-19-2005, 05:05 AM	#7
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Sorry, TS. I don't check all the threads every day, and sometimes the posts build up on me. Damn dynamic Cellar!! __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

01-20-2005, 06:16 PM	#8
Brown Thrasher self=proclaimed ass looking for truth whatever that means Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: A treehouse Posts: 193	Come on people, how can anything concerning the reason for life be a scientific fact. On the other hand, how can so many people believe in a story passed through generations. It appears to me, to be an intellectual battle going on. Give it a break, unless you can absolutely prove either theory, why not move on to other things. I watched the inaguaration today. When the President and his wife got out of that limousine, I was really afraid they would be shot. I will starting today try and worry more about what may happen today. Why is it so important to be right, when in your own minds, if your honest, you just believe a theory passed on by another human. Humans are not without flaw. I don't care how smart they are or how smart they think they are. If i could just live in the now......... __________________ Let it rain, it eases pain.....

01-20-2005, 06:37 PM	#9
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Evolution says nothing about the reason for life. That's a subject for philosophy, not science. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

02-02-2005, 03:51 PM	#11
Brown Thrasher self=proclaimed ass looking for truth whatever that means Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: A treehouse Posts: 193	It seems God does not exist; Because if one of two contraries be infinite, the other would be destroyed. However, the name God means infinite goodness. If therfore he did exist there would be no evil. There is evil in the world. Larry King, CNN was very interesting on 1/31/05 when evolution and other issues related to evolution and religion were discussed. __________________ Let it rain, it eases pain.....

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