Measles 2015

[Clodfobble]

Phil's whole point is that being rabid about an issue (in this case vaccination) further polarizes the opposition and does not, in fact, bring about the change you desire. Yet that is according to Undertoad exactly the tactic he uses on a different issue (global warming.)

[xoxoxoBruce]

OK, got it. Thanks.

[sexobon]

Nothing measly 'bout that.


Oh wait ...

[tw]

From The Economist of 31 Jan 2015:

Parents who skip vaccines are often portrayed as pampered fools swayed by conspiracy theorists. Some swear by debunked studies—like one linking the measles vaccine to autism—and dodgy alternative medicine. A gaggle of B-list celebrities such as Jenny McCarthy, a former Playboy model and anti-vaccine megaphone, reinforce this image.

To so many, Kim Kardashian has more credibility than a doctor. Because a child uses feelings to make decisions. Facts and numbers cause a child's eyes to glaze over.

Herd immunity means more than 92% must be vaccinated. Another number that glazed over the eyes of strippers (Jenny McCarthy) and other adult children.

[DanaC]

It just isn't that simple tw.

The medical and scientific community need to do some serious house clearing before they place blame onto hysterical parents. The Wakefield scandal did not happen in a vacuum.

[tw]

Originally Posted by DanaC

The medical and scientific community need to do some serious house clearing before they place blame onto hysterical parents. The Wakefield scandal did not happen in a vacuum.

If housecleaning is necessary, then posted are specific facts that define that housecleaning and where. With the all so important reasons why.

The Wakefield scandal only proves again that many adults ignore facts to instead entertain their feelings. Why did a majority of Americans know smoking increases health? Same concept. It did not happen in a vacuum. It happens where and because so many adults think like children. It was the first thing they were told. Resulting feelings somehow prove an "irrefutable truth".

Many 'feel' vaccines cause autism when facts clearly say otherwise. No way around that reality - if thinking like an adult. But a stripper said otherwise. Amazing how many adults who are still children can be brainwashed by a stripper. A truly responsible adult ignores or rejects statements that come without the required reasons why. Same applies to an unfounded housecleaning accusation.

If you have a fact (that housecleaning is necessary), then post it. Using statements devoid of the "always required reasons why" is disrespect to adults who think like adults. Similar soundbyte is why so many adults who think like children believe Jenny McCarthy. Same logic also proved smoking cigarettes increases health. That Saddam had WMDs. And that extraordinary rendition of any non-Americans is good. Fox News said so. It also must be true.

Furthermore, since required details were not included, then I can also assume you said anything I want to believe. Just another reason why the housecleaning statement is best ignored by adults who think like adults. Otherwise we must have a pissing contest.

We know vaccines cause autism. Saddam still has WMDs. And that housecleaning is necessary. Because soundbytes order us what to believe - also called brainwashing. Please do not use such soundbyte logic to insult adults who think like adults.

Jenny McCarthy lied as we should expect of an adult who thinks like a child. Those housecleaning accusations are unfounded as also proven by the missing 'always required reasons why'.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by tw

Why did a majority of Americans know smoking increases health? Same concept.

Because (paid) doctors and dozens of (questionably funded) published peer-reviewed studies said so.

Stick with the WMD parallels, tw, because smoking is really not the example you want to use here. It is THE prime example of the medical establishment overtly failing the public for decades, before finally admitting that nicotine is addictive, smoking causes cancer, and dozens of sound, rigorous, impartial, medical studies had been faked.

[Clodfobble]

You should google "CDC whistleblower," tw. Or you can just wait for the congressional testimony sometime later this year. There are certainly some valid arguments against what he claims, but regardless, you will find that it is more than just big-breasted starlets who are involved in the debate. Some of them are the real scientists who actually performed the very studies you are referring to.

[Lamplighter]

This is a moderately long article deserving of a read..

Andrew Wakefield, father of the anti-vax movement, still insists MMR vaccine causes autism
Newsweek 2/10/15

Andrew Wakefield is both revered and reviled. To a small group of parents,
he’s a hero who won’t back down from his assertion that the measles, mumps
and rubella (MMR) vaccine can cause autism.

In the wake of the most recent measles outbreak in the U.S.—which began at the Disneyland
theme park in Southern California in late December 2014 and has since spread to 17 states
and infected more than 100 people—Wakefield defends his views about the measles vaccine.

<snip>
Wakefield dismisses the notion that he bears any responsibility for the current outbreak,
despite decreasing vaccination rates in some parts of the country and
the perpetuated fear of an MMR-autism link:

<snip>

[tw]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

You should google "CDC whistleblower," tw.

I did just that.

Did collected data actually prove that the MMR vaccine produces a 340% increased risk of autism in African-American boys? The answer is no, it did not.

So I should wait for a Congressional investigation by a Science Committee chairman who is a wacko extremist, a religious extremist, and who has publically stated he is not a scientist and does not know how to be one? I should wait for that Kangaroo court and believe Clodfobble's statement that is devoid of any supporting facts and numbers? Hardly. Otherwise I too would have so hated the American soldier as to believe Saddam had WMDs. Know that Airborne cures the common cold. And that childhood leukemia is created by electrical fields.

I did what Clodfobble suggested. Resulting fact said Clodfobble lied.

Clodfobble did as Jenny McCarthy also did. Make statements devoid of any supporting facts and numbers. Junk science reasoning is alive and well. No wonder so many know MMR causes autism because a stripper said so. It must be true because she has big hair, big boobs, and no education.

These lies and myths do not occur in a vacuum. Each is invented by emotions that prove it is true. Same logic also proved communists were hiding out in the State Department and US Army. We know that was true because we were told it was true. Adults who think like children never provide the 'always required reasons why'.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by tw

I did what Clodfobble suggested. Resulting fact said Clodfobble lied.

You... should not have googled it? I am truly a master of deception.

[Happy Monkey]

You know, for kids!

The user reviews are fun.

[Lamplighter]

1,195 reviews, and my wife says it made it to "The View" today !

[DanaC]

If housecleaning is necessary, then posted are specific facts that define that housecleaning and where. With the all so important reasons why.

I have neither the time nor inclination to gather up evidence for a fairly broad point about the ways in which the scientific communities have helped to create a culture of suspicion or unease about medical testing and medical products.

This though sets out some of the problem:

[DanaC]

Oh and a really interesting follow up to that: