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Old 11-26-2018, 04:42 PM   #16
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Old 11-26-2018, 04:57 PM   #17
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So how do we reconcile that principles are necessary but imperfect?

I think that America has developed a bit of a principles fetish. Perhaps as we've moved away from organized religion, we're looking for other fundamental truths to anchor our belief systems. Like political ideologies.
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Old 11-26-2018, 05:24 PM   #18
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Apparently that's one of the main questions Nietzsche was asking (although I'm not smart enough to have read him myself): now as the Enlightenment proves the traditional sources of morality to be weak, God is dead; what are we going to replace Him with?

In the century after Nietzsche, the world answered that question with its own, formulated political ideologies. Between Communism and Fascism, they managed to kill about 100 million people.

So now, obviously the question is, if political ideologies are nothing short of a new source of meaning in our lives --

How are we going to stop ourselves from killing the next 100 million people?

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Old 11-26-2018, 05:42 PM   #19
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I guess you could also say we worship money. We've even enshrined the power of capital into nebulous demigods whose whims rule over the fate of mortal men.

But anyway, if principles are an imperfect stab in the dark, can we really "throw them out" or do they just get updated when new information becomes available? How often do we do that and who gets to decide?
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:56 PM   #20
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How are we going to stop ourselves from killing the next 100 million people?
Is is necessary, we have billions and would hardly miss 100 million. As long as it's NIMBY.

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But anyway, if principles are an imperfect stab in the dark, can we really "throw them out" or do they just get updated when new information becomes available? How often do we do that and who gets to decide?
You'll always have principles, they are simply what you believe is the best way to react to shit. I think principles will change from experience rather than just information.
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:48 PM   #21
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I think principles will change from experience rather than just information.
Right, right, experience. Experience can show you things, like when a principle applies very well to one situation, but encounters difficulty when applied to a slightly different situation. So the "grouping of situations" is another very complex task that has to be assumed is accomplished with "fundamental" truths.

And once the fundamental principles and fundamental situations are established, we keep them that way forever-- that's why we still chop people's hands off for stealing.
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Old 02-13-2020, 09:42 AM   #22
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ACLU comes down in favor of trans women competing against women in sports.

Sorry, women. You had your time, Title IX and all that, but it's over, now.
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:52 AM   #23
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And once the fundamental principles and fundamental situations are established, we keep them that way forever-- that's why we still should chop people's hands off for stealing.
Fixed that for you. You're welcome.
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If the new system, as it appears, means an *investigator* addresses the tribunal, then this appears to be yet another case of an organization (the ACLU) succumbing to "guilt as determined by the outrageousness of the alleged crime," rather than "guilt as determined by evidence."

In short, more tumblr-esque hysteria.

On the other hand, if the new system was introduced by Betsy Devos, I automatically distrust it and will withhold judgement, because there's going to be something awful buried in those new rules.
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Okay, I've been looking at the article's author and some of his other work, and he seems legit.
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If you want to be ill, read this old article of his.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national...report/386887/
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That dude is solid, and The Atlantic is always solid imo
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Old 02-14-2020, 02:34 AM   #28
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If you want to be ill, read this old article of his.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national...report/386887/
Why are you surprised, this is common procedure most everywhere now. The citations are child's play compared to civil seizures when no one is charged with a crime. For the offense of carrying cash they'll take it away and challenge you to get it back through the courts. (hint, you can't). They'll take your car and house for bullshit claims of wrongdoing but not charge you with a crime. (again, you can't).

If a cop kills you? Too bad, so sad. If you escape your hand shackles, ankle shackles and belly chain then open the back door of the cruiser which has no inside handle, and jump out. Suicide, not our fault. Cop on duty found passed out in his cruiser, in gear, foot on the brake, blood alcohol 5 fucking times the legal limit, two weeks desk duty. Oh, and the myriad on cops on the scene all had body cam malfunctions.
I could go on for pages but butt-head in the whitehouse would pardon them all.
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Apparently that's one of the main questions Nietzsche was asking (although I'm not smart enough to have read him myself): now as the Enlightenment proves the traditional sources of morality to be weak, God is dead; what are we going to replace Him with?
Recently? We replaced him with Moloch.
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I could go on for pages but butt-head in the whitehouse would pardon them all.
What happened to his good friend Beavis? Did Butthead also fire him?
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