Impeding changes to our Health Care system - Page 48

TheMercenary · 09-10-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I doubt, under ANY system, our hospitals would (TYPICALLY---always gotta disclaimer everything in the Cellar 'cause someone knew someone personally and IRL who died that way) let someone die on the front step because they can't produce the appropriate papers. If this begins to be the case, I REALLY don't want to live here anymore.

People die outside the ER and in the waiting room all the time. Usually because of the long wait and poor triage. I know there were some cases of patient dumping that happened in Texas a while back but laws were changed to prevent it. I am sure people die because hospitals go on divert and cannot accept patients as well.

Radar · 09-10-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

People die outside the ER and in the waiting room all the time. Usually because of the long wait and poor triage. I know there were some cases of patient dumping that happened in Texas a while back but laws were changed to prevent it. I am sure people die because hospitals go on divert and cannot accept patients as well.

The wait for the E.R. wouldn't be so long if everyone could get cheap or free preventative care, but the insurance companies have prevented this so far. Luckily for us, President Obama will make sure a law is passed which will reduce the long wait in emergency rooms and reduce the costs from E.R. visits vs. regular doctor appointments.

TheMercenary · 09-10-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

Luckily for us, President Obama will make sure a law is passed which will reduce the long wait in emergency rooms and reduce the costs from E.R. visits vs. regular doctor appointments.

Don't hold your breath.

jinx · 09-10-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

The wait for the E.R. wouldn't be so long if everyone could get cheap or free preventative care, but the insurance companies have prevented this so far. Luckily for us, President Obama will make sure a law is passed which will reduce the long wait in emergency rooms and reduce the costs from E.R. visits vs. regular doctor appointments.

So no one will break their arm if everyone can go get their temp and blood pressure checked, and a prescription for an acid blocker since you're here anyway, regularly? Awesome.

Radar · 09-10-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

So no one will break their arm if everyone can go get their temp and blood pressure checked, and a prescription for an acid blocker since you're here anyway, regularly? Awesome.

People will still break their arm and go to the E.R., but all of the dozens of people who are flooding emergency rooms due to easily preventable illnesses, won't be there. This will mean the wait will significantly decrease.

Was it that hard for you to figure out Jinx?

jinx · 09-10-2009, 11:39 AM

Yes you do have to show proof of insurance now, so they can bill it. I never went to the ER when I didn't have insurance but the signs say they can't turn anyone away... under the current system.

Shawnee123 · 09-10-2009, 11:43 AM

When my bones were protuding from my arm I don't remember them beating me up for my insurance card: they got me into treatment and the paperwork came later. This isn't, of course, the same as showing up with the sniffles, which is what uninsured people HAVE to do because they have nowhere else to go, under the current system.

jinx · 09-10-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

When my bones were protuding from my arm I don't remember them beating me up for my insurance card: they got me into treatment and the paperwork came later. This isn't, of course, the same as showing up with the sniffles, which is what uninsured people HAVE to do because they have nowhere else to go, under the current system.

Well that's not true.... there are walk in clinics, I've been to one a few times. They don't deal with insurance at all, just cash.

I just don't understand how the illegal immigration issue can be ignored when reforming health care. I'm not saying I have the answer... but I also didn't run for president.

Shawnee123 · 09-10-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Well that's not true.... there are walk in clinics, I've been to one a few times. They don't deal with insurance at all, just cash.

I just don't understand how the illegal immigration issue can be ignored when reforming health care. I'm not saying I have the answer... but I also didn't run for president.

Yeah, not in smaller towns. Certainly not at night.

Radar · 09-10-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Well that's not true.... there are walk in clinics, I've been to one a few times. They don't deal with insurance at all, just cash.

I just don't understand how the illegal immigration issue can be ignored when reforming health care. I'm not saying I have the answer... but I also didn't run for president.

There is no illegal immigration issue. There are no illegal immigrants.

jinx · 09-10-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

There is no illegal immigration issue. There are no illegal immigrants.

Yes, and America does not extend west of the Mississippi, we've been over this.

TheMercenary · 09-10-2009, 01:33 PM

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There is no illegal immigration issue. There are no illegal immigrants.

Take your head out.

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Clodfobble · 09-10-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx

But if I show up in an ER they'll want to see proof that Ive paid for insurance, right?

I suspect that in the end, the verification step will happen as part of your yearly taxes. Show proof of insurance, or $3,800 (or whatever the final penalty is) gets tacked on to your tax bill. The hospital will ask for insurance information and/or direct payment, like they do now, and some people will still tell them they have none, like they do now. At most the hospital will report you to whatever agency for having no insurance, while still treating you.

TheMercenary · 09-10-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I suspect that in the end, the verification step will happen as part of your yearly taxes. Show proof of insurance, or $3,800 (or whatever the final penalty is) gets tacked on to your tax bill. The hospital will ask for insurance information and/or direct payment, like they do now, and some people will still tell them they have none, like they do now. At most the hospital will report you to whatever agency for having no insurance, while still treating you.

I guess that is possible if that part of the bill makes it to final passage. The bill still has not provided for a lot of the problems that are needed to fix healtcare today. And we are about to spend a whole lot of money not fixing it.

Shawnee123 · 09-10-2009, 11:45 AM

Video killed the radio star and insurance companies killed the Hippocratic Oath!

09-10-2009, 11:39 AM	#6
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Yes you do have to show proof of insurance now, so they can bill it. I never went to the ER when I didn't have insurance but the signs say they can't turn anyone away... under the current system. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

09-10-2009, 11:43 AM	#7
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	When my bones were protuding from my arm I don't remember them beating me up for my insurance card: they got me into treatment and the paperwork came later. This isn't, of course, the same as showing up with the sniffles, which is what uninsured people HAVE to do because they have nowhere else to go, under the current system. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

09-10-2009, 11:45 AM	#15
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Video killed the radio star and insurance companies killed the Hippocratic Oath! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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