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Old 08-24-2020, 11:09 PM   #106
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*shhh* let him have his simple narrative.
You can't; it is never simple.
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Old 08-26-2020, 04:14 PM   #107
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My concern is less with long-time gun enthusiasts than with newly armed folks who've self radicalized right or left showing up armed and incompetent with a belly full of anger...
My confirmation bias is showing but last nights tragedy-
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Old 08-26-2020, 06:13 PM   #108
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An amateur news follower breaks out the differences between the left narrative and the right narrative in this event:

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Old 08-26-2020, 08:35 PM   #109
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It would appear that we are fucked.
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Old 08-27-2020, 07:32 AM   #110
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So what did the moderates say. Oh. This is social media. There are no moderates. That would be too honest.
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Old 08-27-2020, 01:29 PM   #111
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It's supposed to be a standard tactical move of the Left to create chaos and destruction, the better to provoke an overreaction from the government, the police. In Kenosha, looks like the overreaction (if any, for a case for it being self-defense is emerging) is civilian, not authority... bad news for the Marxists, they're fumbling.

That and there's report coming that there's some kind of division of labor there: the rioters are white, the looters are black.

It's also the revolution's next tactical step, having created a deteriorating situation, to push the idea that they alone can get us out of it. "Put us in charge, and this'll be the last Kristallnacht."
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Old 08-27-2020, 03:06 PM   #112
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It's supposed to be a standard tactical move of the Left to create chaos and destruction, ...
That's what the Central Committee of fascists on Fox News ordered you to believe. History says fascist obtain total control - ie Nazi party - by creating chaos and destruction.

Oh. That contradicts what the Central Committee ordered us to believe. So we just ignore it. Also what fascists do to destroy Democratic governments. Ignore any history that exposes lies.

How curious. A president loved by American fascists, racists, and Nazis is Trump. Do what brainwashed Americans would do. Ignore it and deny it. Fox News will teach us how to think.

After all, it also proved Saddam had WMDs.
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Old 08-27-2020, 10:32 PM   #113
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As near as I can figure his latest childlike gabble, tw remains blissfully ignorant that fascist and communist are both of the Left. Think about them. There are no substantive differences to be found. Adolf and company borrowed a leaf from Vladimir and company's handbook. In Germany and in Russia, it worked.

You don't know your political science, kid.
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Old 08-27-2020, 11:25 PM   #114
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"I take it as a personal insult that people think I've had a 37-year friendship with a racist," [Herschel] Walker said. "People that think that don't know what they're talking about."
Walker expanded on his point, adding, "Growing up in the deep South, I've seen racism up close. I know what it is. And it isn't Donald Trump."

How many other falsehoods are the Dems wedded to?

How inflationary are the Dems?

"Some people don't like [Trump's] style, the way he knocks down obstacles that get in the way of his goal. People on the opposing team didn't like when I ran over them, either -- but that's how you get the job done." Particularly in the face of the constant, tedious, tendentious attacks, which all amount to iterations on "He's not our kind, dear." The sentiment demonstrates the gripers do not understand that this is Trump's most valuable trait, and the one most desired by the electorate: he's not their kind.
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Old 08-27-2020, 11:58 PM   #115
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Old 08-28-2020, 06:46 AM   #116
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As near as I can figure his latest childlike gabble, tw remains blissfully ignorant that fascist and communist are both of the Left. Think about them. There are no substantive differences to be found. Adolf and company borrowed a leaf from Vladimir and company's handbook. In Germany and in Russia, it worked.

You don't know your political science, kid.
This is false. I prefer this guys take. Remember that fascists were pro-business, anti-union, anti-intellectual, law and order types, who in Italy anyway cloaked themselves in the Church. There are authoritarians all over the political spectrum but conservatives need to be as wary of fascism as liberals are of communism.

Look at how they governed to see where they are on the spectrum.

https://pseudoerasmus.com/2015/05/03...left-or-right/

Since fascism was always a kind of pseudo-ideology made on the fly, without a long history of thought and debate like socialism, it’s wrong-headed to infer “what they really were” from the Italian fascists’ platform in 1919, or the fact that Hitler called his party “(National) Socialist German Workers Party”, or even from their electoral strategy.

To say that fascism is an extremism of the political right, as defined in historical terms, is reasonable for the following reasons :

All actually-existed fascist states practised business-friendly economic policies, even if they were not ideologically laissez-faire. They could have easily done otherwise — this was after all the 1930s, the heyday and apogee of socialism as an ideology. But no fascist in power even contemplated taking the Soviet route of destroying the capital- and land-owning classes.

All actually-existed fascist states repressed labour unions, socialists, and communists. Despite the worker-friendly rhetoric of fascists, they in actual power regimented labour in such a way as to please any strike-breaking capitalist of the 19th century. The Nazis, for example, forced workers into a single state-controlled trades union (DAF), which controlled wage growth and prevented striking and wage arbitration. Businesses (some, not even most), by contrast, were given incentives to consolidate into Morgan-style industrial trusts as shareholers and engage in contractual relations as monopolists or near-monopolists with other trusts and with the state.

Communists have a demonstrated record of erasing traditional society root and branch — exterminating aristocrats, industrialists, landowners, priests, kulaks, etc. Fascists in actual power, despite their modernist reputation, seem almost traditional in comparison. In Mussolini’s Italy, the king, the titled nobility, the church, the industrialists, the landholders, and the mafia slept soundly at night. The chief innovation of fascism was not really in political economy, but in political community.

Self-proclaimed fascist parties in Europe in the 1920s and 1930s pinched their votes from the middle-class and conservative parties, not primarily from the socialists and the communists to whom their traditional constituencies (urban workers) mostly remained loyal. In Germany’s election of 1932, the Social Democrats and the Communists maintained their usual proportion of the combined vote (~35%), but the other traditional parties were substantially weakened, even hollowed out, with only the Catholic Zentrum maintaining double-digit strength (~12%).

Big business interests either were strong supporters of the fascists once in power, or (in some countries) had backed them well before their seizure of power.

Fascists fetishised law & order, and made a cult out of the armed forces.

Amongst observers in non-fascist countries, it was conservatives and businessmen, not progressives, who were the most numerous to express admiration for the fascists. There were a few prominent socialists like H G Wells who applauded some aspects of Mussolini’s regime, but these were mostly amongst intellectual kooks, and their significance pales in comparison to the conservative reaction which varied from enthusiastic approval of a bulwark against communism to benign indifference.

Other self-proclaimed fascists — those who took their inspiration from Hitler and Mussolini in the 1930s — were unambiguously conservative in the unambiguously traditional sense, without the “modernist” touches which set Hitler and Mussolini apart. If I had to use three words to describe Franco, the best ones would be “God, Country, Property”.

The Nazis were sui generis and idiosyncratic, an outlier amongst fascists, and perhaps they really shouldn’t be pegged into the left-right spectrum. But if they had to be, their political economy was clearly capitalist and therefore clearly distant from revolutionary or egalitarian socialism.

Actual fascists who came to power behaved in a similarly labour-repressive, business-friendly, violently antisocialist way, albeit with national variations. Why were they so unanimous in their hysterical hatred of communists and socialists ? Could it have been that there was some “ideological space” for property and capitalism amongst fascists, albeit not well articulated theoretically ?

In the 1920s British conservatives generally approved of Mussolini, and liberals and socialists generally criticised him. I don’t mean that conservatives wanted fascism in Britain, but they thought it was an effective antidote to communism, admired fascist law & order, and found in it a healthy example of national pride. Of course Churchill was an early admirer of Mussolini and remained one until the early 1930s, and he took the nationalist side in the Spanish civil war.


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Old 08-31-2020, 03:53 PM   #117
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It's supposed to be a standard tactical move of the Left to create chaos and destruction, the better to provoke an overreaction from the government, the police. In Kenosha, looks like the overreaction (if any, for a case for it being self-defense is emerging) is civilian, not authority... bad news for the Marxists, they're fumbling.

That and there's report coming that there's some kind of division of labor there: the rioters are white, the looters are black.

It's also the revolution's next tactical step, having created a deteriorating situation, to push the idea that they alone can get us out of it. "Put us in charge, and this'll be the last Kristallnacht."
What color are the murdering militia wannabes?

Racist as fuck.

Looks like his people have heard and heeded his clarion call:
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This is another thread that's been a long time coming. Goodness knows, there's a superabundance of material.

Today, Trump said that Hillary Clinton becoming President would be bad, and there's nothing you can do about it.

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"By the way, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although, the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don't know."
He's implying that the assassination of Hillary Clinton is an option to keep her from becoming President.

Jesus Fucking Christ.

He'll walk this one back too, just like all the others. "Oh, I was just being sarcastic." Bullshit. He's a menace. There are lots of people who won't read that as sarcasm. Hell, *I* don't read it as sarcasm. It's incitement.
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Old 09-01-2020, 06:25 AM   #118
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Here comes the gasoline.

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Old 09-01-2020, 09:32 PM   #119
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It bothers me that even if all the people get off their lazy asses and Trump gets only 25% of the vote, he'll be out but the trouble he's caused won't go away.
We'll still have Qanon, and the preppers, and the Nazis of every stripe, plus the clueless like UG to contend with. We'll still be suffering with stacked courts, a useless congress, and crumbling infrastructure. We'll also have less trustworthy allies or even respect overseas.

Oh, and tens of thousands of pork slaughterhouses without meat inspectors.
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Old 09-01-2020, 09:39 PM   #120
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how will we ever survive like we did five years ago

all that stuff existed back then

after 2 terms of obama

and will exist again in five years after trump is gone

it's almost like who the potus is doesn't really matter all that much to the bigger picture
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