Rick Santorum: "mainline Protestants aren't real Christians"

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Ibram

I was never one of those "if Bush gets it again I'm moving to Canada" people, but I would have to strongly consider whether or not I would feel safe in a country run by a nutjob like Santorum. Maybe Vermont would stay safe enough, but I know queers across the country who literally fear for their lives if that man is given a big enough platform long enough. The last thing this country needs is someone stirring up more hate.

The president has power, but not that much power. If Santorum gets the nominee gays and other 'undesirables' aren't going to get rounded up and people aren't going to suddenly act on homophobic prejudices. People didn't change after Obama got elected and people aren't going to change if Santorum gets elected.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I hope he wins the nom and loses by 15 points in the general.

That will convince the hardliners that continuing the culture war is a loser.

Agreed. Its a losing battle for them on multiple fronts.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Ibram

I was never one of those "if Bush gets it again I'm moving to Canada" people, but I would have to strongly consider whether or not I would feel safe in a country run by a nutjob like The Pope. Maybe Vermont would stay safe enough, but I know queers across the country who literally fear for their lives if that man is given a big enough platform long enough. The last thing this country needs is someone stirring up more hate.

FTFY

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

The president has power, but not that much power. If Santorum gets the nominee gays and other 'undesirables' aren't going to get rounded up and people aren't going to suddenly act on homophobic prejudices.

Don't be so sure.

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

People didn't change after Obama got elected

Gun sales soared, and the tea party movement gained momentum.

[Ibby]

if Rush Limbaugh has 16-year-old, non-sexually-active girls being ruthlessly and disgustingly bullied for daring to take birth control, I shudder to think how having someone like Santorum in office will motivate bigots to take their bigotry public. Maybe you think nothing will change; I still fear for the safety of queers everywhere if a hatemonger of that calibre makes it to the presidency.

[classicman]

Ibs - I mean this in the best way possible.
STOP playing into the fear tactics of MM and their ilk.
You are starting to sound like the same people who said the sky was falling when Obama got elected.
You are too smart for that.

[Undertoad]

Don't be so sure.

When Bush was still in office, Penn Jillette said the Democrats are the party of hate, and the Republicans are the party of fear.

This is you trying to reverse that condition.

[piercehawkeye45]

Gun sales soared because people thought Obama was going to ban all future gun sales, not because of hate. Also, the Tea Party is an economic movement, not social.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

When Bush was still in office, Penn Jillette said the Democrats are the party of hate, and the Republicans are the party of fear.

This is you trying to reverse that condition.

Is it?

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Gun sales soared because people thought Obama was going to ban all future gun sales, not because of hate. Also, the Tea Party is an economic movement, not social.

All I'm saying is that people changed.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

All I'm saying is that people changed.

If you broaden to that, then yes, people can change or be more upfront with certain views from a presidential election. But just because people will join a protest movement does not mean people are going to start acting differently by openly displaying homophobic bigotry.

Remember the bullshit postulation of a post-racial United States after an Obama victory? Didn't happen. Why? Because people aren't going to act out bigotry (or lack of bigotry) from the person sitting in the oval office.

The only argument that could be made (from what I thought of) is the subtle effects from exposure to bigoted comments and perspectives. The best example would be the Islamaphobic comments since September 11th. But, the influence from Santorum will be at a much much lower level.

[Undertoad]

Is it?

Yes, you see:

If you ACTUALLY BELIEVED that there was ANY REMOTE CHANCE that people were going to be rounded up, you would come up with something more than "Is it?"

I will give you the benefit of doubt, and say if you actually believed that, you would be working a LOT harder to prevent it.

[HungLikeJesus]

Remember when Johnny Carson caused a month-long toiler paper shortage?

It would be just like that if Santorum got elected.

[richlevy]

Rick hasn't seriously put his foot in his mouth for about a week. Do you think his advisers finally told him 'Just shut the fuck up, we might actually win this thing'?

Still, it's going to be hard to put the crazy back in the bottle for the general election if he's nominated.

[Blueflare]

I have faith (I just hope it's not misplaced! lol) in the American people that they wouldn't actually vote for this maniac as the Republican candidate, nevermind the President. If he actually gets elected, maybe the world really will end in 2012.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Blueflare

I have faith in the American people that they wouldn't actually vote for this maniac

Faith is what inspires the most religious to believe only what they are told to believe. Faith is what inspired Santorum to intercede in a private family matter to save a dead woman in FL. Consider another (better) word.

The Westboro Baptist Church is a Santorum supporter. Another example of the faithful.

[infinite monkey]

Hmmmm. Now that's the most compelling comment I've heard about the 2012 thing.

[ZenGum]

Ok, screw it ...

Gingrich/Santorum 2012!

If you're going to crash the train, crash it hard.