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[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

“Should that be interpreted that it is OK to settle grievances against law enforcement,
so long as only the jails, the police stations, cop cars, or local cop's personal houses... are torched ?”

You can interpret as you like…what I say is:
if you have a beef, take it up with the one who has insulted or damaged you,
not with innocent folks and certainly not by doing self-injury
(and, mebbe, if you aren't party to the insult or injury you ought to just butt the fuck out).

Again, you are changing the basic issue of this thread...

How do you, HQ, settle your "beef" with this neighbor cop
who is "the one who has insulted or damaged you" ?
So far, you have only proposed "mebbe" setting his house on fire
(with him in it).

I posit to you that you can't.
... not without some way of engaging others who "aren't party to the insult or injury",
or relying on laws/rules of society which you usually disdain.

[henry quirk]

Lamp,

What it is about being a cop that insulates him or her from a bullet to the head?

What is about being a cop that insulates his or her house from burning?

Nuthin' and nuthin'.

I suspect your respect for (or fear of) law enforcers has you thinkin' they're better, bigger, smarter, stronger, than they are.

Cops are just people.

Just ask the families and friends of cops killed on, and off, duty.

And: I'm not the one "changing the basic issue of (my) thread". Go back to my first post, read what follows from others, point (and wag) your finger at them (and yourself).

[Spexxvet]

They rioted, and 5 were killed by authorities. Then they entered a business and destroyed goods that were intended for them to buy. Then they violently attacked the authorities.

What a bunch of a-holes, right Henry?

[xoxoxoBruce]

I wonder why?

Since 1935, nearly every so-called race riot in the United States—and there have been more than 100—has been sparked by a police incident, Muhammad says. This can be an act of brutality, or a senseless killing. But the underlying causes run much deeper. Police, because they interact in black communities every day, are often seen as the face of larger systems of inequality in the justice system, employment, education and housing.

[henry quirk]

Toad,

Obviously, we have very different ideas of what constitutes a statement of (my) philosophy.

As you like.

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Lamp,

“We disagree.”

Yes, we do.

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Spexx,

“That's crazy, right Henry?”

When you trash your own neighborhood cuz you’re pissed at the cops: yeah, crazy as a shithouse mouse.

Now, when you trundle in from outside the neighborhood, involve yourself in a matter that’s not your concern, trash that neighborhood with no consideration given for the folks who live there and who may depend on the businesses trashed, then you’re asshole.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Spexx,

“That's crazy, right Henry?”

When you trash your own neighborhood cuz you’re pissed at the cops: yeah, crazy as a shithouse mouse.

My description was of the actions of the Sons of Liberty.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Toad,

Obviously, we have very different ideas of what constitutes a statement of (my) philosophy.

It's not necessary for me to accurately describe any aspect of your philosophy in order for us to discuss this matter. If the word philosophy is troubling here then you may substitute "thinking" or "belief" or whatever meaning you might take in order to advance the conversation.

If I have your belief incorrect you may certainly correct me, and I would have to accept that; and then we move forward, which would be great. In the meantime, all we have is a semantic evasion of my point. You should avoid that. My point stands.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I wonder why?

What do you wonder, xoB? The quote in your post doesn't come from the article you linked to.

do you wonder why black americans and white americans see the police differently?

do you wonder why so many "race-riots" have been sparked by a police incident?

or do you wonder about something else? your post is ambiguous to me.

[henry quirk]

Spexx,

"the Sons of Liberty"

Who are they?

[henry quirk]

V,

"do you wonder why black americans and white americans see the police differently?"

I wonder why folks insist on grouping themselves (or others).

Ain't no monoliths as far as I can tell.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Lamp,

What it is about being a cop that insulates him or her from a bullet to the head?
What is about being a cop that insulates his or her house from burning?
Nuthin' and nuthin'.
I suspect your respect for (or fear of) law enforcers has you thinkin'
they're better, bigger, smarter, stronger, than they are.
Cops are just people.
Just ask the families and friends of cops killed on, and off, duty.

And: I'm not the one "changing the basic issue of (my) thread".
Go back to my first post, read what follows from others, point
(and wag) your finger at them (and yourself).

Sure, cops are human beings that can be hurt/killed
... but not "Nuthin' and nuthin'"

What insulates your neighbor cop who has harmed your family is multi-fold:

1) Primarily the governmental and social structures that protect
and make each individual cop and law enforcement overall
"better, bigger, smarter, stronger" than you.

2) Your self interest of not being killed/harmed/imprisioned by other cops

3) Your self interest for your family being harmed or ostracised by society

4) Your ethics and moral code to maintain your family and property

So repeating myself in slightly different terms...
You, HQ, can not settle your grievance with this neighbor cop who
has harmed you/your family, without in some way of engaging others
who "aren't party to the insult or injury", or relying on laws/rules of society...

And now add this:
5) or, having your nephew say: "But that is crazy, Uncle"

I think I am presenting your own arguments to say the isolated individual
is impotent against the misdeeds of law enforcement.
Otherwise their action is "crazy"
... until they gain a tool or power over something of value to law enforcement.

For those without $ or political resources, this turns out to be
"breaking the peace" (riots) and destroying "sh#t".
So for them in their world, they are not being "crazy"

[henry quirk]

Spexx,

“What a bunch of a-holes, right Henry?”

I never said that (and I didn’t imply it either).

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Happy Monkey,

“universal condemnation”

That hasn’t come from me, not directly or by implication.

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Lamp,

“You, HQ, can not settle your grievance”

Underlining it don’t make it so.

Your laundry list of ‘why you can’t’: each, all, easily navigated (as illustrated by the number of unsolved police deaths).


“I think I am presenting your own arguments to say the isolated individual is impotent against the misdeeds of law enforcement.”

I’m sorry you feel impotent (as an individual), Lamp. Explains a lot, though.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

They rioted, and 5 were killed by authorities. Then they entered a business and destroyed goods that were intended for them to buy. Then they violently attacked the authorities.

What a bunch of a-holes, right Henry?

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Spexx,

“What a bunch of a-holes, right Henry?”

I never said that (and I didn’t imply it either).

"'But that's crazy, Uncle!'

'Yes, Beast, it is.'"

That's crazy, right Henry?

[xoxoxoBruce]

God Damn Right.