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Old 06-11-2012, 02:44 PM   #61
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I've never heard that boiling alive story applied to humans, but I have heard of it in relation to frogs.

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The boiling frog story is a widespread anecdote describing a frog slowly being boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability of people to react to significant changes that occur gradually.[1] According to contemporary biologists the premise of the story is not literally true; a frog submerged and gradually heated will jump out.[2][3]
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:18 PM   #62
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I take it you mean: 'Do what you can to self-preserve, expect nothing from any one.'
Not at all.

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That's exactly how it works...that so many are now blind to this is -- again -- an evidence of widespread domestication.
You believe that is how it works because that is how you want it to work.

The point is that no person in a society can live a completely independent life. How I live and act inevitably affects the people around me, even in extremely subtle ways. Therefore, I have a vested interest in the overall health of my surroundings. If my society is healthy, I have a better chance of living a healthy life (not just physical health). If my society goes to shit, there is a better chance of my life going to shit as well.

This "for each his own" bullshit doesn't hold up to reality. Unless you become a mountain man, our ability to become independent is directly linked to the strength of our surroundings. Right now, I can personally live an independent lifestyle where I can survive solely on my input to society (my job) and the surrounding society (where I buy my necessities). I do not directly take anything from the government or people around me. I also believe in that lifestyle and encourage others to do the same. Although, if the surrounding society goes to shit, it will require more personal effort to independently fulfill my own needs, taking time away from my job and personal life. To take it to an extreme, if our society completely collapses, I will then need to spend almost all my time competing for very limited resources. Even if I did follow your advice and was successful in doing so, that would be an EXTREMELY shitty way to live.

To get to the concise point: I would much rather invest in a healthy society than invest in being completely independent from society during a worse case scenario.



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Bloomberg apparently believes himself wiser (or more likely, more compassionate) than other folks...so much so, he must 'save' them from themselves.

Arrogance (that he shares with any- and every-one who believes him- or her-self 'leader', elected, appointed, declared, or born into).
The irony...
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:52 PM   #63
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"the irony..."

Lol.

careful waving that red society flag around like that.... I'm just sayin.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:56 PM   #64
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Hilarious.

Please, pick me for the role of 'robot' so I don't do any silly human things that might make me "happy".

What a relief that must be, to know what makes you better and what makes you a poor excuse. To think how long I've struggled with this as I drank a pop.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:06 PM   #65
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"Three Medium Cokes to go please...."
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:15 PM   #66
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No pop for you! It's all 'small' or we get confused.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:23 PM   #67
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Ok, 4 small Cokes to go. Wow, I am really getting thirsty. Wonder what the involvement of the industry was in this decision????
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:29 PM   #68
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The cupholder shareholders.

Please to make them take a new cup each time for refill.

Like not re-using your plate at some crappy All You Can Eat.

Yeah, that will curb obesity.and it reverses conservation efforts

Take all you want but drink all you take. Or else.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:30 PM   #69
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:35 PM   #70
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That poor guy is gonna get shot for taking more than he can drink in one minute.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:39 PM   #71
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Obama's Drones will get him....
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:46 PM   #72
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Except this is a discommunicated repub who now calls himself an indie.

So, wrong.

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Old 06-12-2012, 09:46 PM   #73
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True Dat.
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Good night and thanks fot the convo.
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:12 AM   #75
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careful waving that red society flag around like that.... I'm just sayin.
I'm not waving a red flag around, it is just a response to Quirk's "Do what you can to self-preserve, expect nothing from any one" statement. Investing in a healthy society can mean many things but complete control by an "elite" few is not one of them.
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