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Old 06-12-2016, 11:47 AM   #1
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Orlando

Fuck.
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Old 06-12-2016, 11:50 AM   #2
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This will put the haters in a tizzy. It was a Raghead... but they were fags... but it was a Raghead... but they were fags... Hopefully their heads will explode.
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Old 06-12-2016, 12:31 PM   #3
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The haters are thinking the non-haters are in a tizzy! I read this on a comments section:

"They love LGBTs and Islam, this truly a PC dilemma"
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Old 06-12-2016, 01:13 PM   #4
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Seems like hate will win the day either way. Hate the gun, hate the gunman, hate the religion, hate the West, hate the East, hate the desert, hate all religion, hate the humans.
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Old 06-12-2016, 01:28 PM   #5
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The solution is simple, Griff.

Don't let hate rule the day. You only hear bad news. And there's more than bad news out there. There's tons of good news. But good news doesn't sell papers or airtime.

We shouldn't let the bastards wear us down.
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Old 06-12-2016, 01:35 PM   #6
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Don't let hate rule the day.
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Old 06-12-2016, 02:15 PM   #7
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Now Orlando will have to pass a city ordinance requiring bouncers to have counterterrorist training.
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Old 06-12-2016, 04:41 PM   #8
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This had nothing to do with religion,” the gunman’s father said. However, he also claimed his son got very angry when he saw two men kissing in downtown Miami recently.

Act of terror and a hate crime rolled into one. Not that there is much difference to the victims.

The real frustration in these horrible events is that you know there's virtually zero you can do about it after the fact, and probably precious little you could have done before it. The shooter is dead. The people he committed this atrocity in the name of are amorphous, international, and to the extent you can identify them, distant and fungible. Kill one ISIS social media recruiter and two more mindless zealots take his place.
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Old 06-12-2016, 05:26 PM   #9
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... The real frustration in these horrible events is that you know there's virtually zero you can do about it after the fact, and probably precious little you could have done before it. ...
That's why the time for people to do something about it is as it's happening; but, the indications are that all they would do was run.
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Old 06-12-2016, 06:11 PM   #10
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Act of terror and a hate crime rolled into one. Not that there is much difference to the victims.
I don't want to get into semantics, but
isn't terrorism a hate crime, hate motivated?

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That's why the time for people to do something about it is as it's happening; but, the indications are that all they would do was run.
Unarmed, untrained, unprepared, best to GTFO.
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Old 06-12-2016, 06:35 PM   #11
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... Unarmed, untrained, unprepared, best to GTFO.
If you're not already concealed; or, behind cover when the shit goes down, it's best to close and destroy. If you have no route of egress, it's best to attack before discovered. You can't outrun the bullets. Just because you're shot doesn't mean you're going to die. Just because you're going to die doesn't mean you can't take the attacker out with you and save others. Where there's no such mindset, casualties are maximized. When that happens I feel it's a shame; but, I don't dwell on it.
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Old 06-12-2016, 06:54 PM   #12
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"... take the attacker out with you..." I don't think a stern look, with crossed arms and a tapping toe would be an effective deterrent. There's a difference between making a sacrifice and being a damn fool. There's no way I can stop this guy, so making a banzai charge just makes his job easier. YMMV.
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:27 PM   #13
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... There's no way I can stop this guy, so making a banzai charge just makes his job easier. YMMV.
You bet your bippy it does. That's because I hang out with people of another mindset, people who can act in consonance.
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Old 06-12-2016, 09:02 PM   #14
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There's no way I can stop this guy, so making a banzai charge just makes his job easier.
But, if all of you, or ten of you, or even five of you charge him yelling "Banzai!!!".......
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Old 06-12-2016, 09:14 PM   #15
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Exactly, you're trained, you hang with trained people. When you look at a problem, you have a completely different set of tools in your bag you can use for a solution. Most people don't have those tools so they have a shorter list of reasonable options. I know my limitations, and they're not mental, they're physical.
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