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Free-Speech Case Divides Bush and Religious Right
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This is a travesty, free speech is free speech. Also the sign did not say to do bong hits for Jesus, it left the message's intent up to the reader. People need to get a damn sense of humor. If you want to make a statement about the Jesus aspect the answer is separation of church and state, end of story. It is outstanding to know there is another NFP group out there fighting for freedom of speech!!! |
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Franklin Pierce
Join Date: Oct 2006
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This is a touchy issue.
First, about the banner. That guy had every right to do that but he is a douchebag for doing it and you can’t punish him for that. It was off school grounds so the school had no right to punish him. Now about free-speech in schools. In our school you could pretty much wear anything that was “school appropriate”, which was loosely regulated. If you wore a shirt with a sexually explicit image or if it advertised drugs or alcohol you were told to wear it inside out and that was the end of it. I think schools should have the right to disallow the advertising of a product that is illegal in the school if it wants too but that is the line. I can easily go both ways with drugs and alcohol with that issue. But anything offensive (racist, homophobic, sexist, pornographic) should be banned since other students can't leave that area and are forced to see the shirt. |
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Funny sort of related... I recently watched both the new and the original Bad News Bears. In the old one the kids all have a beer after the big game. In the new one the kids have non-alcoholic "beer". In the old one there is a little swearing and in the new one I think the swearing was more frequent. Changing community standards?
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Franklin Pierce
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Morals and ethics always change within a society so I'm not suprised.
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“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
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This is a techincal matter from a legal standpoint. Some dumb ass reporter is making a mountain out of a mole hill. One side is looking at it as a free speech issue, the other as the right of a principal to deal with issues that he feels adversely affects the students. To bad the students were not at school. The school will lose.
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King Of Wishful Thinking
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Kiss your rights goodbye
Another reason to thank GWB.
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For once, I'm very sorry that Mercenary was wrong about something.
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The future is unwritten
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Roberts is an asshole.
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When I was a senior in high school I was expelled for 1 day, my crime was participating in a Bible study on campus. Every Wednesday we would gather in the "pit" in front of the office and hold a prayer meeting and bible study. This was at lunch, which was 65 minutes long. Plenty of time to have lunch and do things. Christian and non christian alike would show up and participate. We all enjoyed the fellowship. About a month before the end of the school year we were busted by school administration, with the help of SCPD, when told to disperse most people left, I asked the principle why don't you go bust the dope smokers in the restrooms. I was cuffed and taken to the principles office. Me being 18 years old was told that I was in violation of district policy, and in violation of separation of church and state laws. I was expelled and escorted off campus by the police. I then went to the local Carrow's restaurant and called my parents. they told me to sit and stay, while I was there waiting The boys VP showed up with paper work saying that I was expelled from school and would not be able to enroll in any public school in California. My parents arrived rite then and my mother Gave that turd a tongue lashing that made me wince with pain. We sat for about an hour when my parents lawyer showed up with all the papers drawn up and waiting for my signature. I was going to sue the school, the principle, the police, and the district. In the end I was reinstated the following Monday with full credit we were allowed to hold our bible study, and prayer meeting just like before, and about a third of the student body accepted Christ as their savior. I got $25,000.00 in an out of court settlement. The principle was fired and the police department had to give me a public apology (I'm still waiting for that) I understand that San Clemente High School still has a bible study and prayer meeting every Wednesday in the pit.
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The future is unwritten
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If that happened to you today, Bush's Supreme Court would have your ass, not only out of there, probably in Cuba.
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Remember 1 if by land&2 if by sea. Tom Jefferson was correct, and if he was here he would be shot on the capitol steps. Read my signature line. Just one more thought before I get to work why are Christians so persecuted? We support the Jews and get hammered for it. We support removing vermin from the gene pool we get hammered for it. We support stamping out terrorism we get hammered for it. We support the traditional American family we get hammered for it, ect. ect., ect. I could go on for hours, but I won't. Apologies to the Westboro Baptist church you need to read your Bible, God does not hate fags I'm on a rip now I'll come back later after I've used up my mad.
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Makes some feel uncomfortable
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![]() This is a hate and violence filled post, IMHO. Doesn't sound Christian to me.
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Just an example of two common problems with school administrators - not understanding shades of gray (student-led prayer is OK, school-led prayer is not), and kowtowing to loud parents. Luckily for you, your parents were louder. And, for that matter, correct on the first point as well.
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King Of Wishful Thinking
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![]() What? Didn't you get my thank you note? Support for Israel by Christians is not 'support for the Jews'. It is an attempt to fulfill prophesy. It's foreign policy's version of creationism. If Israel didn't happen to be sitting on top of the JLZ (Jesus Landing Zone) it would probably be as popular as Darfur.
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