Holtzapffel Lathe

busterb · 05-01-2008, 08:40 PM

Long yes.
A few weeks back, David, a friend of Shines, was rebuilding an old lathe of his dads. Damn at the gears, wish I'd made photos. Anyway I told of something I'd read about a lathe for turning Ivory for billiard balls. I search on Google for all the names I could and could find nothing that looked right. I kept coming up with the name.Holtzapffel.

So one rainy day I started to look thru old House Mechanics and Popular Science magazines. Shine came by to trim a few limbs for me with his limb saw. I told him would be at bottom of stack and was.
An April 1989 Popular Science. Maybe someone knows how to look at their data and see if it's there? Only way I know to post is scan the pages as photos, boy that'll be large.
Then maybe no one has any interest in this?

Anyway, that was the correct name.

In 1989 a guy in N.O. LA had one and stated. "I could spend the rest of my working with the lathe ever day. My children and their children and their children and their children's children could do the same, and and none of us would have to duplicate a design or decoration unless we chose to."

Here' a thing from Wikipeida.
Holtzapffel & Co. was a tool and lathe making company in London, founded by German immigrant, John Jacob Holtzapffel in 1793. The firm specialized in lathes for ornamental turning, something that was a popular leisure occupation for gentlemen at that time. Many ornamental lathes were bought by the aristocracy, and those made by Holtzapffel & Co. were considered the best.

Between 1785 and 1787, John Jacob Holtzapffel moved from his native Alsace to live in London. In 1793 he started an engineer’s tool business and he sold his first lathe on 31 June 1795, for £ 25-4s-10d, an enormous price at the time. All of Holtzapffel’s lathes were numbered and by the time he died in 1835, about 1600 had been sold. The business was located at 64 Charing Cross Road, London.

John’s son, Charles joined the firm in 1827, and continued to run it after his father’s death. He started a five volume series of books entitled Turning and Mechanical Manipulation, containing some 3000 pages, and which came to be regarded as the bible of ornamental turning. The first three volumes were published in 1843, but the final two volumes were completed and published after his death, by his son, John J. Holtzapffel. Charles Holtzapffel died in 1847, and his wife Amelia ran the business until 1853. In 1867 Charles and Amelia’s son John Jacob II became head of the firm in 1867. He ran the firm until 1896 and died in 1897. A nephew of Charles, George William Budd, became head of the firm in 1896, but after the end of the nineteenth century, ornamental turning went out of fashion, and sales declined.

footfootfoot · 05-01-2008, 09:10 PM

I thought you might have meant these folks:
http://holzapfelwoodworking.com/michelle/index.html

busterb · 05-01-2008, 09:33 PM

Nice, but no.

busterb · 05-01-2008, 09:35 PM

Here's a link I found about the Mag. Go to top of page to start.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...history.htm#h6

xoxoxoBruce · 05-02-2008, 12:24 AM

It's a shame there's no pictures of one of those lathes on the net. I'd love to see it.

glatt · 05-02-2008, 08:30 AM

foot powered? Amazing.

Years ago, I saw in the old Arts and Industries Smithsonian museum (which has since been converted into a crappy interactive museum with lights and buzzers for kids) a human powered table saw. It was the same size and shape as a regular table saw, but had a heavy flywheel and a hand crank on either side. Two people would crank the thing while one person operated the saw. It actually looked like it would work really well.

glatt · 05-02-2008, 08:54 AM

I just found this picture of one. It was in this unlabeled directory of pictures.

Apparently the Lynn Historical Woodworking Museum in New Zealand has three of these lathes.

busterb · 05-02-2008, 02:36 PM

A few misc. photos here http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/r...s1=Holtzapffel

busterb · 05-02-2008, 08:24 PM

Another nice link. All are pdf and can be dnloaded, saved.
http://www.the-sot.com/craft.html

xoxoxoBruce · 05-02-2008, 11:23 PM

I'd rather have that Geometric chuck, than a Rolex.

busterb · 05-04-2008, 02:04 PM

While digging through the mags, I ran across an article about Babbage machines. Which I tossed, then found parts were made by the lathe. Just damn.
Babbage's engines were among the first mechanical computers

busterb · 05-15-2008, 08:13 PM

Photos of pages are up.click photo

xoxoxoBruce · 05-15-2008, 08:59 PM

Outstanding Buster, thank you!

Elspode · 05-15-2008, 11:42 PM

Hmmm...sez they're making them right here in my town! Gonna have to see this place.

Elspode · 05-15-2008, 11:46 PM

How old is that article? Sez online that they've moved to Lee's Summit, which is the city to the East of Raytown.

05-01-2008, 08:40 PM	#1
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Holtzapffel Lathe Long yes. A few weeks back, David, a friend of Shines, was rebuilding an old lathe of his dads. Damn at the gears, wish I'd made photos. Anyway I told of something I'd read about a lathe for turning Ivory for billiard balls. I search on Google for all the names I could and could find nothing that looked right. I kept coming up with the name.Holtzapffel. So one rainy day I started to look thru old House Mechanics and Popular Science magazines. Shine came by to trim a few limbs for me with his limb saw. I told him would be at bottom of stack and was. An April 1989 Popular Science. Maybe someone knows how to look at their data and see if it's there? Only way I know to post is scan the pages as photos, boy that'll be large. Then maybe no one has any interest in this? Anyway, that was the correct name. In 1989 a guy in N.O. LA had one and stated. "I could spend the rest of my working with the lathe ever day. My children and their children and their children and their children's children could do the same, and and none of us would have to duplicate a design or decoration unless we chose to." Here' a thing from Wikipeida. Holtzapffel & Co. was a tool and lathe making company in London, founded by German immigrant, John Jacob Holtzapffel in 1793. The firm specialized in lathes for ornamental turning, something that was a popular leisure occupation for gentlemen at that time. Many ornamental lathes were bought by the aristocracy, and those made by Holtzapffel & Co. were considered the best. Between 1785 and 1787, John Jacob Holtzapffel moved from his native Alsace to live in London. In 1793 he started an engineer’s tool business and he sold his first lathe on 31 June 1795, for £ 25-4s-10d, an enormous price at the time. All of Holtzapffel’s lathes were numbered and by the time he died in 1835, about 1600 had been sold. The business was located at 64 Charing Cross Road, London. John’s son, Charles joined the firm in 1827, and continued to run it after his father’s death. He started a five volume series of books entitled Turning and Mechanical Manipulation, containing some 3000 pages, and which came to be regarded as the bible of ornamental turning. The first three volumes were published in 1843, but the final two volumes were completed and published after his death, by his son, John J. Holtzapffel. Charles Holtzapffel died in 1847, and his wife Amelia ran the business until 1853. In 1867 Charles and Amelia’s son John Jacob II became head of the firm in 1867. He ran the firm until 1896 and died in 1897. A nephew of Charles, George William Budd, became head of the firm in 1896, but after the end of the nineteenth century, ornamental turning went out of fashion, and sales declined. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch. Last edited by busterb; 05-01-2008 at 08:42 PM. Reason: spell

05-01-2008, 09:10 PM	#2
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I thought you might have meant these folks: http://holzapfelwoodworking.com/michelle/index.html __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

05-01-2008, 09:33 PM	#3
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Nice, but no. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

05-01-2008, 09:35 PM	#4
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Here's a link I found about the Mag. Go to top of page to start. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...history.htm#h6 __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

05-02-2008, 12:24 AM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It's a shame there's no pictures of one of those lathes on the net. I'd love to see it. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-02-2008, 08:30 AM	#6
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	foot powered? Amazing. Years ago, I saw in the old Arts and Industries Smithsonian museum (which has since been converted into a crappy interactive museum with lights and buzzers for kids) a human powered table saw. It was the same size and shape as a regular table saw, but had a heavy flywheel and a hand crank on either side. Two people would crank the thing while one person operated the saw. It actually looked like it would work really well.

05-02-2008, 08:54 AM	#7
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I just found this picture of one. It was in this unlabeled directory of pictures. Apparently the Lynn Historical Woodworking Museum in New Zealand has three of these lathes. Attached Images

05-02-2008, 02:36 PM	#8
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	A few misc. photos here http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/r...s1=Holtzapffel __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

05-02-2008, 08:24 PM	#9
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Another nice link. All are pdf and can be dnloaded, saved. http://www.the-sot.com/craft.html __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

05-02-2008, 11:23 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I'd rather have that Geometric chuck, than a Rolex. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-04-2008, 02:04 PM	#11
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	While digging through the mags, I ran across an article about Babbage machines. Which I tossed, then found parts were made by the lathe. Just damn. Babbage's engines were among the first mechanical computers __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

05-15-2008, 08:13 PM	#12
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Photos of pages are up.click photo __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

05-15-2008, 08:59 PM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Outstanding Buster, thank you! __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-15-2008, 11:42 PM	#14
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Hmmm...sez they're making them right here in my town! Gonna have to see this place. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

05-15-2008, 11:46 PM	#15
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	How old is that article? Sez online that they've moved to Lee's Summit, which is the city to the East of Raytown. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

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