Ambassador Murdered

[Griff]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19570254 Killed over a low budget movie, really? 9/11 celebration? This really shines the hard light of day on our ongoing engagement with the Islamic world. Answers, I have none.

[glatt]

I want to be a live and let live kind of guy when it comes to the Muslims, but I don't think they all feel the same way. I'm not sure any of them do.

I also have no answers.

[Trilby]

This is the sort of thing that gives them all a coat with the same paint brush. What kind of person does this sort of thing? I KNOW there are zealots and weirdos in the US but when they do this sort of thing they are prosecuted. This probably will be OUR problem and we'll have to do all the legwork/prosecution IF the person is ever even found which is unlikely. I wonder about these people as a whole. I wonder why they are so...so...very NUTS about this stuff. Mohammad isn't Allah, for Christ's sake. He's a doooooooooood. A man. Or does he claim divinity? I dunno that much about it - I do know that innocent people who are trying to fucking calm this area of the world down are getting killed. I thank Allah every day that I'm not a woman living in Muslim-ville.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Trilby

I wonder why they are so...so...very NUTS about this stuff. Mohammad isn't Allah, for Christ's sake. He's a doooooooooood. A man. Or does he claim divinity?

The Pope is man's connection to god. What the Pope says is god's word. So pedophilia that was all but protected by the church is acceptable. The Pope has even ordered Catholic doctrine to be imposed on US laws. Even abortion debates are only religion imposed on others.

They are only more violent while doing what so many Christians also do? That makes them evil and domestic Christians good?

Nonsense. Religion is only a relationship between one man and his god. The minute any religious belief is imposed on anyone else (ie an ambassador), then the religion is based in Satanism. An honest religion does not care what others say. Because honest religion does not affect any neighbor, iman, priest, rabi, minister, bishop, or religious text. An honest religion is only a relationship between one man and his god. An honest religion does not impose their beliefs on anyone else.

[piercehawkeye45]

Tragedy. Lets just hope the radials on both sides don't cause rifts between the rational players in the US-Libya relationship.

[glatt]

Made me wonder if Obama or Romney had weighed in on this yet, so I looked it up, and Romney is a prick.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Trilby

This is the sort of thing that gives them all a coat with the same paint brush.

Well that would make them easy to spot.

This probably will be OUR problem and we'll have to do all the legwork/prosecution IF the person is ever even found which is unlikely.

I agree it's highly unlikely. One report said it was a run-of-mill torches & pitchforks mob, like have attacked our embassies around the world many times. But they were accompanied by a handful of very heavily armed men. I realize most everyone over there carries an AK much of the time, but this seemed to indicate most of the mob did not, but this handful carried even more.

I wonder about these people as a whole. I wonder why they are so...so...very NUTS about this stuff. Mohammad isn't Allah, for Christ's sake. He's a doooooooooood. A man. Or does he claim divinity?

He claimed to be a prophet, who set down a guide to better living... like a medieval Martha Stewart. And as I understand it, what he outlined for the followers was pretty cool. However, the movers and shakers who claimed to be leading the masses in his teachings succumbed to the same power trip that the clerics of Jesus, Buddha, Pele, etc, did.

I dunno that much about it - I do know that innocent people who are trying to fucking calm this area of the world down are getting killed.

Who would that be, certainly not the Israelis, NATO, or US... as least not since 2003. Unless you mean just Libya, but that doesn't mean much with the whole region simmering.

[Lamplighter]

He claimed to be a prophet, who set down a guide to better living... like a medieval Martha Stewart.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by glatt

Made me wonder if Obama or Romney had weighed in on this yet, so I looked it up, and Romney is a prick.

By borderline lying? The Romney campaign? Never.

[piercehawkeye45]

Timeline of events:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...nology/262264/


Well it seems Obama's is sympathizing with the attackers by sending drones:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/globa...tackers/56791/

[DanaC]

@ Tril: try to bear in mind most of what we see of the muslim world is the bad stuff. That's what creates urgent situations and commands media attention.

In amongst all that insanity that we see, are ordinary people trying their hardest to live their lives, provide for their children, survive the various crises, and at the same time try and deal with all the ordinary stuff that breaks the best of us at times. There are doctors and nurses, teachers and engineers, bakers and road sweepers and people who rescue abused animals and campaign for things which many might think almost trivial in the face of regional meltdown.

They're just people. Muslims are just people. At various times in western history quite the wrong people have been allowed the full reigns of power and people have died for nothing in mass hysteria or cold, administrative abuse. At the centre, always, are people. Just people. However alien our cultures may seem to each other at times, we all eat, sleep, fuck and worry, raise our babies and cry when our loved ones are taken from us.

[Rhianne]

Originally Posted by glatt

I want to be a live and let live kind of guy when it comes to the Muslims, but I don't think they all feel the same way. I'm not sure any of them do.

When you come to visit I'll introduce you to my family, I'm sure you'll feel different. From what we see on TV and read on the internet though, you might struggle to convince many of them in return that all Americans are 'live and let live' kind of folk like you.

A non-aggressive post.

[Sundae]

If I judged all Catholics on the actions of the IRA I would have to kill myself.
If I judged all Muslims on those I personally knew I would have to convert.

It's not because these people are Muslim.
It's because they are crazy Arabs.

an attempt at levity

[DanaC]

An interesting take on events:

http://world.time.com/2012/09/11/cai...unleash-havoc/

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by DanaC

@ Tril: try to bear in mind most of what we see of the muslim world is the bad stuff. That's what creates urgent situations and commands media attention.

In amongst all that insanity that we see, are ordinary people trying their hardest to live their lives, provide for their children, survive the various crises, and at the same time try and deal with all the ordinary stuff that breaks the best of us at times. There are doctors and nurses, teachers and engineers, bakers and road sweepers and people who rescue abused animals and campaign for things which many might think almost trivial in the face of regional meltdown.

They're just people. Muslims are just people. At various times in western history quite the wrong people have been allowed the full reigns of power and people have died for nothing in mass hysteria or cold, administrative abuse. At the centre, always, are people. Just people. However alien our cultures may seem to each other at times, we all eat, sleep, fuck and worry, raise our babies and cry when our loved ones are taken from us.

I know, I know.
Shucks.

But still. Like many oppressive regimes, they treat their women like complete and utter shite. Ok, so do a lot of Christians. But, hopefully, HOPEFULLY, Christians are merely raping children whilst Muslims are stoning women for the crime of them being raped. That's a lame attempt at levity that prolly didn't work but I tried.

Ok. I"m not being really fair here, I realize, but I just watched a goofy film one of my FB friends (my best pal from gradeschool) posted and it has inflamed my feelings about them as was intended by said film.

You know what is REALLY weird? This girl was my best bud in gradeschool and now that she's all grown up, she's one of those Apocalypse Babes who posts all kinds of stuff on FB about how the END is coming/near/nearly here/etc. I never woulda guessed her for that.

She DID smoke a boatload of pot in high school i heard...