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Revisiting the Death Penalty Debate
There was a thread recently, about the death penalty, but I can't be arsed looking for it so...
I read an interesting piece in the Guardian today about a man who was freed from death row after 15 years, when he was exonerated through DNA evidence. One of the things I've often heard said about the death penalty as it currently stands in the USA, is that the appeal processes are too long. That people should not be spending 10 - 15 years waiting to die and waiting for the system to deal with their case. That argument comes in two shades: either the appeals process is too long and acts as a block to justice being carried out against people convicted of capital crimes, that it is used as such by convicted criminals who play for time to push back the moment of their death; or the appeals process is too long and leads to a prisoner being held for years or decades in conditions designed as purely temporary, and which become inhumane when set across a longer term. 15 years sounds a long time for something to take working through the system. It sounds like a lot of stalling and red tape and pointless expense. Surely the appeals process can be made more efficient, can be streamlined in some way. To expedite justice and play more fairly with those in that system. Except that time doesn't just allow appeals to be heard. It allows the world to change. Damon Thibodeaux is one of 300 prisoners to be freed in the US by DNA evidence. This new kind of evidence, and new capabilities have proven that 300 capital convictions were unsafe. Had the appeals process been streamlined, had the final decision been made sooner, it would have been made without the benefit of DNA evidence, and he would have ended his journey at the hands of the state for a crime he did not commit. Quote:
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The appeals process relies on a lot of things, including the introduction of 'new evidence'. Without that new evidence, the old evidence is rarely revisited by those with the power to act.
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The rest of the article is worth reading. The mechanics of the 12 years appeal process, and the various bodies and individuals that made it happen in the end. But there was one more interesting bit that really caught me. Right at the end it tells us that: Quote:
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...-man-death-row
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My attention span is not capable of comprehending that.. maybe the laws should be shorter and more to the point...
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Except to say: Some times you have to push people over the edge or they'll never learn to fly. The best defence of a public defender is to plea mercy of the court.
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When Steve Pemberton was in The Exonerated (shallow reason I know) I went to see it in London. Catherine Tate was in it too.
It appalled me that such miscarriages of justice could happen with no compensation. But some of the stories were uplifting. People who were just glad to be alive. Wikilink to the film, although I saw the play.
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Thanks for the link. Interesting. Bet Pembers and Tate were awesome in the stage production.
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I almost didn't want to applaud at the end because I was so moved. Of course I "knew" both of them well as actors, but I felt I had listened to their personal stories in a rehab group or somesuch.
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It's the wonderful Mr Hislop.
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People being executed under the death penalty need only ask themselves "What would Jesus do?" Three days later they should be fine.
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why three days later?? I couldn't even begin to imagine the "damning" feeling they would have... kind of like having aids or cancer.. you know your going to die very soon only the meds or appeal process is keeping you alive... recently I've been praying to God and the beginning of my prayer starts with "help me Jesus I'm evil I don't want to be evil turn me from this wicked path" I dunno I feel damned sometimes but at least I'm free to pray.. once in hell there is no way out so you better believe I've been praying for God to turn me and my family and everyone from the evil coarse..
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I love it when a plan comes together.
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oh your joking.. haha...
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