Zeppelins are Back

richlevy · 06-13-2004, 08:51 AM

A company in Japan bought the first new Zeppelin rolled out by the original company. It uses helium for lift.

Revived Zeppelin Delivered to First User

I was looking at another German company that was developing lighter than air ships a few years back, but I don't believe they were rigid frame.

Zeppelins are not new to Japan. Here is some history on LTA Japan.

What interests me is the difference in fuel consumption. Technically, the new Zeppelin is slightly heavier than air and depends on its engine for lift. What is the difference in fuel to take 12 passengers 500 miles instead of in a small jet?

xoxoxoBruce · 06-13-2004, 09:17 AM

From the link

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At the end of World War One Japan was awarded the German Navy's L37 (LZ75) which was a "Super Zeppelin" of the L30 or "R" class and the first ship assembled at the Zeppelin Company's satellite facility located at Berlin-Staaken.

Awarded? Reparations? Japan?

Undertoad · 06-13-2004, 09:24 AM

What's the difference between a zeppelin and a blimp?

Undertoad · 06-13-2004, 09:28 AM

xoxoxoBruce · 06-13-2004, 09:35 AM

richlevy · 06-13-2004, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
What's the difference between a zeppelin and a blimp?

I believe that Zeppelins have a rigid frame where blimps are just inflated balloons.

Torrere · 06-13-2004, 08:26 PM

Zeppelin was the name of the German company which produced them, and of the Count who founded the company. Blimp is an American name, and refers to non-rigid airships. Dirigible (meaning steerable balloon) is the French word.

It's cool that they've sold one. However, what they've sold is a passenger/tourist novelty ship. It won't get really exciting until they start selling Zeppelins for industrial or technical use.

Troubleshooter · 06-14-2004, 07:49 AM

I can't find the old articles that I used to have on this but there used to be a National Helium Reserve for the dirigible fleet during WWII that was still maintained in that capacity until 1975.

If I can find it I'll post it.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-14-2004, 02:36 PM

That's right, when I worked for Tufts Unv., we flew research balloons from Alamogordo, NM. The only place we could get a large quantity of helium was from the feds. $1 for 1 pound lift.

BTW, it was for the Blimp fleet.

Pi · 06-14-2004, 03:25 PM

Blimps are used in the Belgian Army for parachute training... Jumped 4 times out of one.

jaguar · 06-14-2004, 03:45 PM

is that because it's easier than a plane?

richlevy · 06-14-2004, 07:09 PM

A while back I was reading up on Helium and how, unlike hydrogen, it is a finite resource. I actually asked my broker about it. Also, the goverment is selling off its reserves.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-14-2004, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by Pi
Blimps are used in the Belgian Army for parachute training... Jumped 4 times out of one.

I should think a tethered blimp would be perfect for that. straight up over the target, holds position while they pry your fingers off the ropes and throw you out, then right back down for another load.

Pi · 06-15-2004, 02:31 AM

Bruce you're so right...
And maybe it's not easier to jump out of a blimp. In a C-130, if you're not the first to jump, you don't see what's happening and those behind you are pushing. You don't have the time to think because otherwise you will miss the DZ. In a blimp you're static, you are standing in the door, looking 400ft down. And you have time... No good! So you have to do the first step and yiiihaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

06-13-2004, 08:51 AM	#1
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Zeppelins are Back A company in Japan bought the first new Zeppelin rolled out by the original company. It uses helium for lift. Revived Zeppelin Delivered to First User I was looking at another German company that was developing lighter than air ships a few years back, but I don't believe they were rigid frame. Zeppelins are not new to Japan. Here is some history on LTA Japan. What interests me is the difference in fuel consumption. Technically, the new Zeppelin is slightly heavier than air and depends on its engine for lift. What is the difference in fuel to take 12 passengers 500 miles instead of in a small jet? __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

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06-14-2004, 07:49 AM	#8
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	National Helium Reserves I can't find the old articles that I used to have on this but there used to be a National Helium Reserve for the dirigible fleet during WWII that was still maintained in that capacity until 1975. If I can find it I'll post it. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

06-14-2004, 02:36 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's right, when I worked for Tufts Unv., we flew research balloons from Alamogordo, NM. The only place we could get a large quantity of helium was from the feds. $1 for 1 pound lift. BTW, it was for the Blimp fleet. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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Pi desperate finder Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 437	Blimps are used in the Belgian Army for parachute training... Jumped 4 times out of one. __________________ Complex simplex

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Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	What's the difference between a zeppelin and a blimp?

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Torrere a real smartass Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,121	Zeppelin was the name of the German company which produced them, and of the Count who founded the company. Blimp is an American name, and refers to non-rigid airships. Dirigible (meaning steerable balloon) is the French word. It's cool that they've sold one. However, what they've sold is a passenger/tourist novelty ship. It won't get really exciting until they start selling Zeppelins for industrial or technical use.

06-14-2004, 03:45 PM	#11
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	is that because it's easier than a plane? __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

06-14-2004, 07:09 PM	#12
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	A while back I was reading up on Helium and how, unlike hydrogen, it is a finite resource. I actually asked my broker about it. Also, the goverment is selling off its reserves. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

06-15-2004, 02:31 AM	#14
Pi desperate finder Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 437	Bruce you're so right... And maybe it's not easier to jump out of a blimp. In a C-130, if you're not the first to jump, you don't see what's happening and those behind you are pushing. You don't have the time to think because otherwise you will miss the DZ. In a blimp you're static, you are standing in the door, looking 400ft down. And you have time... No good! So you have to do the first step and yiiihaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa __________________ Complex simplex

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