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Going down a Hybrid Tube
Few if anyone saw it coming, in part, because their spread sheets are so complex and almost unreadable. But in 1991(?), General Motors was only hours away from total bankruptcy. Could it eventually happen? There are some very ominous clouds. For example, much of GMs profits once came from the financing of their cars. But to maintain sales of unspectacular products, GM has all but given away cars with 0% financing. IOW they made sales in years past by destroying future profits from that financing. It has to catchup with them.
Previously, GM uses about $1billion profits from Opel to mask their losses in North America. When Opel needed capital to redesign an aging product line, instead, GM said no. Now there are no massive profits from Opel. So where to suck money from to cover up losses on their product line? GM recently announced many new models (as if many new design will solve a no spectaculor design problem) to revive their N American product line. But reviews have been mostly mediocre. IOW where are these monstrous profits to come from? 500 Hp Corvette? Not likely. Hybrids? GM still has none. In fact GM is again hyping Hydrogen as if it has any hope of being a new product. Simple engineering numbers say, "Give me a break". Quote:
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TW, did you type out that quote from the magazine rather than cut and paste from a site?
![]() GM's been run my MBAs instead of "car guys" for a long time.....and it shows in their product line. That's why nobody wants them. ![]()
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From the NY Times on 11 Mar 2005 How Long Can G.M. Tread Water?
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My parents have practically never owned anything but a GM product. Never understood it since I've been old enough to drive--with the possible exception of a Geo Prizm, I haven't driven anything of GM's that I'd consider buying.
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I've had the same experience as SD. My folks only drove Chevys and haven't had an interesting car since the Corvair (although some might call the Citation experiment interesting). I haven't owned a one. I suppose if they put a hybrid engine in an S-10 4x4 I might think about it.
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Corvettes are still a good buy if your one of the few in that market. The Chevy SSR gives me a major boner but that's still expensive and unproven quality.
Cadillac has made some major improvments this year but there again expensive and unproven reliability. That's it for GM.....no wait..there's an Aussie car they based the GTO on that is pretty cool....but you can't get 'em here. There was a time when Chevy was safe to buy. Won't be the best, won't be the worst, but it won't totally screw you. With the price of cars and how dependent we are on them, you just can't "give it a shot and see how it works out" anymore. Too much at stake. ![]()
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Gee, and me with the intention of buying an Avalanche next year too. Guess I need to do more consumer research first.
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The Avalanche has one good option, you can order it without all the plastic trash hanging on the outside that makes it look like an oversized Nike sneaker. Or is it multi-purpose cross-training foot enclosure/protectorant?
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Its not just GM that is much worse than the spread sheets suggest. Delphi is the major parts supplier for GM products. GM is so dependant on Delphi - a GM spinoff - that the health of Delphi will impact GM.
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