Turkey in Trouble

Griff · 06-01-2013, 06:43 AM

Turkey is always the example when we talk about secular democracy in the world of Islam. Unfortunately the Islamists have won a couple elections in a row and Turks who don't want to be ruled by the religious have taken to the streets only to be met with tear gas and rubber bullets.

It looks very bad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22739423
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-980179
http://www.businessinsider.com/turke...cannons-2013-5

orthodoc · 06-01-2013, 06:51 AM

I saw that last night ... horrible photos and video. One great thing about technology and the net is that now everyone is a reporter. It's much harder for this stuff to be swept under the rug.

Griff · 06-01-2013, 08:33 AM

My brother worked in Turkey for a couple years. He really loved the people and their commitment to a secular state. The spark for this could happen here really. The state condemned a significant green space for a mall. It looks like the environmentalists were joined by people who support freedom of assembly (and a place to assemble rather than a private mall) and booze hounds pissed off by Islamic over-reach. The more I look at it the more familiar it feels. We start electing preachers we get the same thing. What is different is a secular conservative military willing to intervene. I don't think our military would step in but I also doubt its commitment to secular government.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-01-2013, 08:42 AM

All becuase the Imans told them a secular government is something to fear... and we proved it.

Griff · 06-01-2013, 08:45 AM

Looks like the back-pedaling has begun.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ist...&NewsCatID=341

I wonder what would have happened if the were allowed into the EU before the nutters got elected?

xoxoxoBruce · 06-01-2013, 08:56 AM

OK, they are going to back down, at least reduce the scope of the project to an acceptable level.

I guess that means the people, and the cops that brutalized them for five days, can go have tea together. Hey, it wasn't personal, just business.

Sundae · 06-01-2013, 01:30 PM

I've met quite a few Turks and I've really liked and respected them.
They've come to Britain for a better, more profitable and a more free life. What's not to like?

Oh and they love larger women and their version of misogyny is to give ladies they like free or highly discounted food; something that has never offended me. Then again if you have a lot of tanked-up male customers after the pubs close, maybe a porcelain-skinned lady who says please and thank-you is a breath of fresh air. Before I eat the onion anyway...

One of the barriers to Turkey's entry to the EU is their adherence to the death penalty.
Seems we deem it barbarous...

They've been a good friend to Europe, a mediator and reasonable East/ West buffer. Algeria, Morocco and Turkey are all on my wish-list for travel. Kebabs, souks and hamams/ massage do probably over-influence my opinion though.

Sorry, I did start off with the intention of making a real contribution to the debate, but I have Britain's Got Talent on in the background. I blame TV for dumbing down my posts. Well, that's what Sky News tells me anyway.

footfootfoot · 06-01-2013, 02:55 PM

Actually, their numbers are doing better than ever.

Griff · 06-01-2013, 03:45 PM

I rescued a few farm turkey poults from ineffective parenting a couple weeks ago. I put them back out in the shed today where one was immediately adopted by an insane broody hen (chicken). So there is a chicken with a turkey 1/3 her size under her now. All my birds are wack jobs.

Crimson Ghost · 06-01-2013, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griff

I rescued a few farm turkey poults from ineffective parenting a couple weeks ago. I put them back out in the shed today where one was immediately adopted by an insane broody hen (chicken). So there is a chicken with a turkey 1/3 her size under her now. All my birds are wack jobs.

It's fowl to threadjack...

Griff · 06-02-2013, 05:13 AM

If you love a thread set it free. If it comes back to you, it's yours. If it doesn't, maybe it wasn't that interesting.

US State Department speaks out

xoxoxoBruce · 06-02-2013, 10:46 AM

After the State Dept speaks out, Turkey strikes back.

Griff · 06-02-2013, 01:19 PM

seamless

ZenGum · 06-02-2013, 07:13 PM

The Assad regime in Syria has publicly rebuked Turkey for brutalising it's civilians.

Just a tit-for-tat criticism, but it amused me.

Aliantha · 06-02-2013, 09:01 PM

I was wondering if thanksgiving had come early...

ba dum bum!

Thanks folks. I'll be here all week!

06-01-2013, 06:43 AM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Turkey in Trouble Turkey is always the example when we talk about secular democracy in the world of Islam. Unfortunately the Islamists have won a couple elections in a row and Turks who don't want to be ruled by the religious have taken to the streets only to be met with tear gas and rubber bullets. It looks very bad. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22739423 http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-980179 http://www.businessinsider.com/turke...cannons-2013-5 __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-01-2013, 06:51 AM	#2
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	I saw that last night ... horrible photos and video. One great thing about technology and the net is that now everyone is a reporter. It's much harder for this stuff to be swept under the rug. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

06-01-2013, 08:33 AM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	My brother worked in Turkey for a couple years. He really loved the people and their commitment to a secular state. The spark for this could happen here really. The state condemned a significant green space for a mall. It looks like the environmentalists were joined by people who support freedom of assembly (and a place to assemble rather than a private mall) and booze hounds pissed off by Islamic over-reach. The more I look at it the more familiar it feels. We start electing preachers we get the same thing. What is different is a secular conservative military willing to intervene. I don't think our military would step in but I also doubt its commitment to secular government. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-01-2013, 08:42 AM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	All becuase the Imans told them a secular government is something to fear... and we proved it. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-01-2013, 08:45 AM	#5
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Looks like the back-pedaling has begun. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ist...&NewsCatID=341 I wonder what would have happened if the were allowed into the EU before the nutters got elected? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-01-2013, 08:56 AM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	OK, they are going to back down, at least reduce the scope of the project to an acceptable level. I guess that means the people, and the cops that brutalized them for five days, can go have tea together. Hey, it wasn't personal, just business. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-01-2013, 01:30 PM	#7
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I've met quite a few Turks and I've really liked and respected them. They've come to Britain for a better, more profitable and a more free life. What's not to like? Oh and they love larger women and their version of misogyny is to give ladies they like free or highly discounted food; something that has never offended me. Then again if you have a lot of tanked-up male customers after the pubs close, maybe a porcelain-skinned lady who says please and thank-you is a breath of fresh air. Before I eat the onion anyway... One of the barriers to Turkey's entry to the EU is their adherence to the death penalty. Seems we deem it barbarous... They've been a good friend to Europe, a mediator and reasonable East/ West buffer. Algeria, Morocco and Turkey are all on my wish-list for travel. Kebabs, souks and hamams/ massage do probably over-influence my opinion though. Sorry, I did start off with the intention of making a real contribution to the debate, but I have Britain's Got Talent on in the background. I blame TV for dumbing down my posts. Well, that's what Sky News tells me anyway. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

06-01-2013, 02:55 PM	#8
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Actually, their numbers are doing better than ever. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

06-01-2013, 03:45 PM	#9
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I rescued a few farm turkey poults from ineffective parenting a couple weeks ago. I put them back out in the shed today where one was immediately adopted by an insane broody hen (chicken). So there is a chicken with a turkey 1/3 her size under her now. All my birds are wack jobs. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-02-2013, 05:13 AM	#11
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	If you love a thread set it free. If it comes back to you, it's yours. If it doesn't, maybe it wasn't that interesting. US State Department speaks out __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-02-2013, 10:46 AM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	After the State Dept speaks out, Turkey strikes back. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-02-2013, 01:19 PM	#13
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	seamless __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-02-2013, 07:13 PM	#14
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	The Assad regime in Syria has publicly rebuked Turkey for brutalising it's civilians. Just a tit-for-tat criticism, but it amused me. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

06-02-2013, 09:01 PM	#15
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I was wondering if thanksgiving had come early... ba dum bum! Thanks folks. I'll be here all week! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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