Pat Condell

[xoxoxoBruce]

OK, you win. Don't you have a research paper to do?

[DanaC]

*grins* ummm....yeah.

[xoxoxoBruce]

The statement by a human rights advocate reads;
"Rights, equality and respect are for people not religions or beliefs." by Maryam Namazie

You know, that's a good thought. If "rights, equality and respect" are afforded everyone, then their religion/beliefs are their own business and none of mine.
But then again, if they want to behead me for being an infidel, it becomes my business... quickly.

[DanaC]

Only if they have the means and opportunity to do it :P

[xoxoxoBruce]

Just them wanting to, should make me vigilant that they don't get the means and opportunity.




Ah, preemptive strike... that's it, nuke 'em... and the whales too!

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

Why is covering one's face more dangerous than the capacity to hide something under a turban?

I already answered this - It is to prevent know terrorists from keeping their identities hidden - it has NOTHING to do with concealment of a weapons.

The first amendment . . .

This is in Europe, not the US.

We remain vigilant by using the legal, intel (and military -outside of the borders) tools available.

If those tools need to be extended, it should not be at the expense of personal freedoms, liberties and protections that are at the very foundation of western democracy.

Originally Posted by classicman

I already answered this - It is to prevent know terrorists from keeping their identities hidden - it has NOTHING to do with concealment of a weapons.

If applied in a sweeping manner, you are including millions who are not know terrorist.

This is in Europe, not the US.

We hear calls from some on the right for similar restrictions in the US.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

If applied in a sweeping manner, you are including millions who are not know terrorist.

That's one big IF

We hear calls from some on the right for similar restrictions in the US.

Ok lets try it this way - My new religion. lets call it bombism, says I must carry a bomb with me at all times... Should there be any restrictions upon me?

Originally Posted by classicman

That's one big IF

How is a law that is applied to ALL women of a particular religion, not just suspected or know terrorists..a big IF?

Ok lets try it this way - My new religion. lets call it bombism, says I must carry a bomb with me at all times... Should there be any restrictions upon me?

The legal system and ultimately, in the US, the Supreme Court, determines what constitutes a legitimate religion under the law.

[TheMercenary]

Since 9/11 the rules in this country changed and they should have. We will lose some personal freedoms for the sake of security. That is just a new fact of life. Our inability to restrict certain freedoms is what got us into much of this mess in the first place.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

How is a law that is applied to ALL women of a particular religion, not just suspected or know terrorists..a big IF?

Dunno about European law, so I cannot say whether or not it is solely applied specifically to their religion, if it is written properly. Then it is the act of concealment not the religion.

The legal system and ultimately, in the US, the Supreme Court, determines what constitutes a legitimate religion under the law.

So I can be discriminated against because someone else doesn't agree with or believe my religion is "legitimate"? Thanks, thats where I was headed.

Originally Posted by classicman

Dunno about European law, so I cannot say whether or not it is solely applied specifically to their religion, if it is written properly. Then it is the act of concealment not the religion.

But it is applied specifically to one religion of which the vast majority of followers are law-abiding and are not suspected or known terrorists.

So I can be discriminated against because someone else doesn't agree with or believe my religion is "legitimate"? Thanks, thats where I was headed.

That is a silly argument. If you want to rob or murder, the law will discriminate against you.

No...it is not "someone", it is the judiciary that interprets the law of the land unless you dont believe in the legal system.

[xoxoxoBruce]

But it is applied specifically to one religion which the vast majority of whose followers are law-abiding.

I don't think so, I read they also prohibited carnival masks on the street.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I don't think so, I read they also prohibited carnival masks on the street.

Well that will take all the fun out of Mardi Gras