taxation

[BigV]

Originally Posted by BigV

Right.

My current biggest facepalming o you idiot comes from those that say, correctly, and as you say, correctly, that taking 50% of of the income of these richest people would reduce the debt by .5%, trivial, insignificant, not worthwhile (so leave us/them alone). O you liar.

Even though that's true, no one's saying to steal their moneys and all will be well. We are not trying to balance the budget and retire the debt (PLEASE NOTE THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT BUT RELATED, NOT THE SAME ISSUES) with one check. Or in one year. Come on people.

The entire US economy isn't enough to retire the debt in one year. This will take time people. Arrrgh.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No contradiction there....

No one said anything about one year. If you take 50% of their money every year you will not fix the problems in this country.

I'll go slow, try to keep up.

the ones that are saying:

1 -- even if you take 50% of the income the debt would be reduced by .5%
this is true.

2 -- .5% is trivial, insignificant, not worthwhile
this is debatable

3 -- so leave these rich people alone because a .5% reduction won't solve the problem immediately.
this is a manufactured lie.


Did you follow that? The lie is based on the implication that since abc plan won't work immediately, do not consider a or b or c.

Furthermore, the conversation I listened to very definitely talked about a one year timeframe. Do the math, that's how you get to .5%. Not no one, Fox News Radio hosts very clearly talked about a one year timeframe. They were telling their listeners that this is what the "plan" is about. Some people will hear that lie and then get all freaked out and fired up about it.

Furthermore, your point--if you take 50% of their money every year you will not fix the problems in this country--is a PERFECT example of what I'm talking about PERFECT!!!! THANK YOU.

See? You're saying the result (fixing the problems in this country -- compared to -- retire the debt in one year) can't be achieved, therefore (implied) don't consider that plan (taking 50% of their money -- compared to -- taking 50% of their money). By staking out an impossible result, solving the country's problems, retiring the debt in one year, you and much of the conservative voice are saying with a deformed logic, don't consider the original suggestion at all. This happens all the time, and THAT is the lie.

Furthermore, no one has suggested that the government take 50% of anyone's money (nor 100% of the money, another fanciful scare story immediately following the 50% example, though this would result in a 2% reduction, so, just never mind). No one's suggesting either one.

Furthermore, if I change your suggestion from "solving the country's problems" to "making a significant difference in our country's debt problem" the answer is absolutely yes, but it will take time. Years of time. Ok? Remember that proverb, how do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. But let's not forget to kill the elephant first, eh?