PETA

[TheMercenary]

Great, next time you or someone you love gets sick we will withhold all treatment that you could have had if it related to animal research and you will die. Got a head injury? You're are fucked, Got a poisoning, sorry about that, you will die, how about an exposure to a chemical weapon! nope, you will be dead in a few minutes. Hey, got cancer? Ouch, you are way fucked. Have a nice life. it's going to be short.

[sugarpop]

So what. There are too many damn people on the planet anyway. I really want to know that animals had their heads bashed in just so we could figure out how to fix them, so my injury could be treated. NOT. If my head is injured, just kill me. You know me. You know I don't value human life over any other kind of life.

[Perry Winkle]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I don't value human life over any other kind of life.

Are you Hindu?

[sugarpop]

No. I'm a witch.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I really want to know that animals had their heads bashed in just so we could figure out how to fix them, ~snip

I firmly believe you have every right to take that position.

But keep in mind, the carnivores and omnivores would bash your head in if they could, without a second thought.

[sugarpop]

Yes, but animals usually do not attack unless provoked, hungry, or protecting their young or their territory. Or in the case of predators, like cats, when they are teaching their young to hunt.

[xoxoxoBruce]

What about Doctors teaching their interns to heal?

[TheMercenary]

Ok, lets just round up some illegals and bash them in the head and do experiments on them, ok? :rollseyes:

[Datalyss]

http://www.hsus.org/animals_in_research/animal_testing/

The HSUS considers animal-based toxicity studies to be an ethically and scientifically questionable means of evaluating potential hazards to human beings, wildlife, or the environment we all share. We are working on a national and global level to promote greater reliance on available alternative testing methods, and are actively supporting a landmark call by the US National Research Council for fundamental changes to the way product testing is conducted—to move from animal tests that are decades old, costly, slow and of dubious relevance to people, to ultra-modern, efficient and human-relevant non-animal methods.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Yes, but animals usually do not attack unless provoked, hungry, or protecting their young or their territory. Or in the case of predators, like cats, when they are teaching their young to hunt.

Humans usually don't hurt animals without a reason either.

I would support efforts to discourage exceptions to that.

[Nirvana]

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm

[Nirvana]

PETA the name that is synonymous with hypocrisy

[wolf]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

No. I'm a witch.

Which has what to do with what?

I'm a witch and likely have entirely different ideas than you about how the world hangs together, which is entirely different from how Elspode might approach the same questions.

You know what they say, ask 10 witches about an issue, and you're likely to get 15 to 20 different opinions.

At risk of derailing the thread ... based on other statements you have made, what is your position on a woman's right to choose?

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Yes, but animals usually do not attack unless provoked, hungry, or protecting their young or their territory. Or in the case of predators, like cats, when they are teaching their young to hunt.

Those are precisely the reasons that I attack.

[Datalyss]

Originally Posted by wolf

Which has what to do with what?

Maybe sp believes in Animism, which is part of the religion for some Wiccans.

[morethanpretty]

Originally Posted by wolf

Which has what to do with what?

I has to do with being asked if she was Hindu. Don't think she was relating it to her opinion on animal cruelty or PETA.

Honestly I think pure breeding is bad as well, and parading the animals around judging them on how close they fit the mold. Pure breeding usually = inbreeding.
That is the issue PETA is addressing in that situation, and I think they are accurate, although extreme, by comparing it to race superiority.
I think PETA has its far-out there whacked up ideas. I also think they have some great ones.
Pitbulls are dangerous dogs, if the people who own them cannot be responsible, which often times they are not, then they should not own a pitbull. I've seen the damage first hand that a puppy can cause, and I thank my lucky stars I was able to prevent the it from killing my black lab, which with its jaws, it could have done easily despite that my black lab was twice its size at the time. I think it would be best if the breed was not allowed to further procreate. Also, just like any other type of dog, if the owner shows themselves to be irresponsible, the dog should be taken away from them. I think people who own particularly aggressive breeds of dogs, not just pitbulls, should have to keep the dog registered and adhere to strict protocols.

To address the issue of animal testing, I know that we have benefited from it, and might continue to do so. There are, or being developed alternative methods to that, and it is the ideal. I don't think we have the right to use animals however we want. Eating meat is different, those animals, hopefully lived a decent life, and died quick relatively painful deaths. Not like the animals in testing that suffer long term.
We are overpopulated, we need to cull our procreation as well. I think this needs to be a social change, government will just fuck it up. People need to change their mindset that they are entitled to have children, and that having children is the ultimate fulfillment. That stems from our basic instinct to survive and pass on our genes, and our need to live on through our kids. I hope that we can evolve past that, we're like lemmings, not knowing when it is necessary to stop. I hear a lot of people who also seem to think they somehow did their child a favor by giving them life, they didn't.