"I can't Hate Donald Trump"

[glatt]

I've heard him refer to himself as a "democratic socialist." I don't recall ever hearing him say he was a plain old "socialist." Not saying he hasn't, just that I've never seen it.

I think in the pigeonholes of a lot of people's minds, the word "socialist" fits in the same slot as "communist" or "marxist." And "democratic socialist" gets shorted to just "socialist" and dumped in there as well. I see a need for education on the meaning of the different words. But these are somewhat complicated ideas that take more explaining than can fit on a captioned facebook picture. I'm not volunteering to do the explaining, because I don't know the subject well enough to teach it. And as a rule, people resent being lectured.

Over-simplified slogans seem to resonate, and I think "Bernie wants to send my kids to college while [insert opponent here] wants to send them to war." is a decent one.

[xoxoxoBruce]

"I don't think that means what you think it means", would be appropriate in this election. I think a certain label means X, you think a certain label means Y, neither of us knows what a candidate thinks it means.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by glatt

I think in the pigeonholes of a lot of people's minds, the word "socialist" fits in the same slot as "communist" or "marxist." And "democratic socialist" gets shorted to just "socialist" and dumped in there as well. .

This drives me round the bend. The idea that Bernie Sanders is somehow on the same political page as the old soviet union is just crazy.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by DanaC

This drives me round the bend. The idea that Bernie Sanders is somehow on the same political page as the old soviet union is just crazy.

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Sure, but is the solution for him to be a representative for "see, 'socialism' isn't a bad word," or "no no no, I'm nothing like you're thinking, I'm this other term over here."

And in case anyone hasn't yet seen John Oliver's recent take on it:

Originally Posted by glatt

I've heard him refer to himself as a "democratic socialist." I don't recall ever hearing him say he was a plain old "socialist." Not saying he hasn't, just that I've never seen it.

I think in the pigeonholes of a lot of people's minds, the word "socialist" fits in the same slot as "communist" or "marxist." And "democratic socialist" gets shorted to just "socialist" and dumped in there as well. I see a need for education on the meaning of the different words. But these are somewhat complicated ideas that take more explaining than can fit on a captioned facebook picture. I'm not volunteering to do the explaining, because I don't know the subject well enough to teach it. And as a rule, people resent being lectured.

Over-simplified slogans seem to resonate, and I think "Bernie wants to send my kids to college while [insert opponent here] wants to send them to war." is a decent one.

I love you guys but seriously, you need to get out more. You are clearly out of touch with the US population. You know that whole 1% wealthy thing where they have all the money? Well there is something similar called intelligence inequality (not education but intelligence) where 1% of the population had all the intelligence, Dwellars are highly represented in that group, So stop trying to ascribe qualities like the ability to think to the intellectual hoi polloi. They aren't equipped to do the things you want them to.

You may think I am joking. I am not. Most people are fucking stupid, ignorant, or uneducated. Often all three.

[tw]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Most people are fucking stupid, ignorant, or uneducated. Often all three.

One need only view the number of millenniums who smoke cigarettes. Then deny they were easily brainwashed.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

... Most people are fucking stupid, ...

Now, I have to get back to perusing the forums. And I was up viewing threads until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the Cellar dwellars. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: Just because sometimes "I'm with stupid -->" does not mean I've had sexual relations with stupid, I never indicated to anybody that I'm fucking stupid, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to posting replies for Cellar dwellars. Thank you.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I used to think the vast majority of Americans were reasonable rational people.
Sure, we had wackos and racists but they were a small minority.
The things I'd see in the TV man on the street bits, and on the internet, were a cull of a lot of material.
But shit like this really embarrasses me because now I think it's representative of way too many people...

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by sexobon

Now, I have to get back to perusing the forums. And I was up viewing threads until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the Cellar dwellars. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: Just because sometimes "I'm with stupid -->" does not mean I've had sexual relations with stupid, I never indicated to anybody that I'm fucking stupid, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to posting replies for Cellar dwellars. Thank you.

Then again, sexobon, you're not most people.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: Just because sometimes "I'm with stupid -->" does not mean I've had sexual relations with stupid,

How did Monica Lewinsky get into this thread?

[Clodfobble]

Sure, but is the solution for him to be a representative for "see, 'socialism' isn't a bad word," or "no no no, I'm nothing like you're thinking, I'm this other term over here."

And in case anyone hasn't yet seen John Oliver's recent take on it:

[xoxoxoBruce]

Yeah but (Rule #1, Always precede with a yeah but) Oliver is a ferriner, he doesn't understand American values, nor the shorthand we use to miscommunicate.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Who says Trump doesn't have foreign affairs experience.

[BigV]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...rotesters.html

link to story with accounts and videos of assaults by supporters of trump.

another recent story with video shows a black man being escorted up the stairs by several men in uniforms, they appear to be sheriff deputies, and the man being escorted is sucker punched with an elbow to the eye by willie nelson's ugly stunt double, McGraw, who was quoted as saying he deserved to be killed, we don't know who he is, the next time we see him he might be a terrorist.

The show "Inside Edition" spoke to McGraw after he punched Jones.

"Yes, he deserved it," McGraw said in an interview. "The next time we see him, we might have to kill him. We don't know who he is. He might be with a terrorist organization."

footfootfoot, you have thoroughly harshed my mellow today.

I don't challenge one word of your post, but, fuck. Thanks a lot buddy.

[Undertoad]

Some people advise that there is an EQ, Emotional Quotient which is capacity of individuals to recognize their own, and other people's emotions, to discriminate between different feelings and label them appropriately, and to use emotional information to guide thinking and behavior

I am of strictly average EQ, I like to imagine, and I'm sure we dwellars fall across the range of it

I imagine being more emotionally connected would allow us to better see who can be trusted and who is a dangerous liar or narcissist; and it would not surprise me to find that EQ makes for a better predictor of successful Presidencies than IQ

[footfootfoot]

I doubt things will be much different from this if Strumpf wins.

(follow thread @ link)