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Old 03-10-2016, 04:12 PM   #11
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This drives me round the bend. The idea that Bernie Sanders is somehow on the same political page as the old soviet union is just crazy.
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Sure, but is the solution for him to be a representative for "see, 'socialism' isn't a bad word," or "no no no, I'm nothing like you're thinking, I'm this other term over here."

And in case anyone hasn't yet seen John Oliver's recent take on it:

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I've heard him refer to himself as a "democratic socialist." I don't recall ever hearing him say he was a plain old "socialist." Not saying he hasn't, just that I've never seen it.

I think in the pigeonholes of a lot of people's minds, the word "socialist" fits in the same slot as "communist" or "marxist." And "democratic socialist" gets shorted to just "socialist" and dumped in there as well. I see a need for education on the meaning of the different words. But these are somewhat complicated ideas that take more explaining than can fit on a captioned facebook picture. I'm not volunteering to do the explaining, because I don't know the subject well enough to teach it. And as a rule, people resent being lectured.

Over-simplified slogans seem to resonate, and I think "Bernie wants to send my kids to college while [insert opponent here] wants to send them to war." is a decent one.
I love you guys but seriously, you need to get out more. You are clearly out of touch with the US population. You know that whole 1% wealthy thing where they have all the money? Well there is something similar called intelligence inequality (not education but intelligence) where 1% of the population had all the intelligence, Dwellars are highly represented in that group, So stop trying to ascribe qualities like the ability to think to the intellectual hoi polloi. They aren't equipped to do the things you want them to.

You may think I am joking. I am not. Most people are fucking stupid, ignorant, or uneducated. Often all three.
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