Men Abortion and Choice

[DanaC]

Jeb...not really sure how that helps the discussion...


By rk's logic, any woman who doesn't want to give birth to a baby should live a celibate life. Wow. Just wow. I am staggered that anyone can hold that opinion in this day and age. And a professed liberal at that.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Jeb...not really sure how that helps the discussion...


By rk's logic, any woman who doesn't want to give birth to a baby should live a celibate life. Wow. Just wow. I am staggered that anyone can hold that opinion in this day and age. And a professed liberal at that.

Sluts!! Sluts all sluts. Buncha whores. Don't you know sex for women is only for procreation?

Rk is turning into Gannet...I know it. I can see the metamorphesis right in front of my eyes.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Rk is turning into Gannet...I know it. I can see the metamorphesis right in front of my eyes.

Oh, there's no metamorphosis a-happenin' here.

[DanaC]

Laws are political not personal.

Originally Posted by DanaC

Laws are political not personal.

You did not specify the nature of your question.
When did I profess to be liberal?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

You did not specify the nature of your question.

Well, the overarching subject of the thread has been the creation of a law to prevent women from getting abortions if the man decides to prevent it. On a personal level, most people agree that in most cases the man and woman should make the decision together. Most, if not all, of the disagreement arises when you try to make that ideal situation into a law- ie a political situation.

How would such a law work?

[DanaC]

My mistake, I thought you had professed libertarian leanings.

I wouldn't have thought I'd need to specify the nature of my question, given that you have spent much of this thread advocating a change in law. If you are simply expressing how you would feel if you were the father in question, then that's personal. You are advocating a change in law, that is a political opinion.

Originally Posted by DanaC

My mistake, I thought you had professed libertarian leanings.

I wouldn't have thought I'd need to specify the nature of my question, given that you have spent much of this thread advocating a change in law. If you are simply expressing how you would feel if you were the father in question, then that's personal. You are advocating a change in law, that is a political opinion.

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Why not politically?

You can't, and should not try to legislate morality.

If there are methods in place other than the law to ensure the rights of both parents, that would be ideal.
Unfortunately, the current legal climate favors the female alone, my suggestion sought only to level that field for both equal parents.

Libertarians are about as conservative as one can get (neo-cons, the fools who call themselves conservative today are NOT conservative by any stretch of imagination or the definition of the word).

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Sorry dude, I don't buy it. If the men carried the babies for 9 months and took the same physiological risks it would be different. The woman carries the baby, she get to say if she wants to do that for 9 months or if she wants to terminate it. Her choice, not yours. Men are but the sperm donors.

So the man gets the kid the woman runs out on him, he shoots it in the head, no sweat, right?

I guess all of you feel it is ok for women to smoke, do heroin, meth, drink, whatever while pregnant, right... it's not a kid yet and it's "just her body"?

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Libertarians are about as conservative as one can get (neo-cons, the fools who call themselves conservative today are NOT conservative by any stretch of imagination or the definition of the word).

Libertarians can technically be called liberal since they it has roots with classical liberalism. There are distinct differences between the two but they both stress freedom.

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Libertarians can technically be called liberal since they it has roots with classical liberalism. There are distinct differences between the two but they both stress freedom.

I disagree with that, at their root I think most liberals want a nanny-state.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Unfortunately, the current legal climate favors the female alone, my suggestion sought only to level that field for both equal parents.

How would it do that?

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Personally yes, politically no.

Why not politically?

[Cicero]

Hey- where'd you come from? (outta nowhere comes blue)

[BigV]

[winging it]Hey, xoB, is the "doing" against the law? Or is it something more tangible, more definite, like possession?[/flying it into the ground]

[DanaC]

Reality? Why aren't I allowed to do drugs?

Because it is against the law. Personally i think it shouldn't be.

It's not an equivalent though, because this isn't about whether the state has a right to tell women what to do with their bodies (again, I think they should not), but rather empowering individual men with the right to make decisions about individual women's bodies.