You Can't Prove You Exist - Page 2

BigV · 06-15-2007, 11:03 AM

And yet you keep talking to me.

You keep creating those threads.

You keep listening for me to reply.

Your refusal to accept the proof does not negate the proof.

Besides, I don't exist. How's that possible?

Flint · 06-15-2007, 11:07 AM

I am neither talking nor listening.

Flint · 06-15-2007, 11:14 AM

Does proof require a concrete statement of the conditions that are to be met, therefore a total knowledge of the subject under consideration, therefore an impossible omniscience; in other words, is proof impossible? If we attempt proof of a limited data set, do we ignore the interrelationships it has with it's surroundings?

Beestie · 06-15-2007, 11:17 AM

"Proof" simply means you haven't seen the exception. And since you can't prove there isn't an exception then you can't prove anything.

Happy Monkey · 06-15-2007, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beestie

"Proof" simply means you haven't seen the exception. And since you can't prove there isn't an exception then you can't prove anything.

An exception to what?

Beestie · 06-15-2007, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

An exception to what?

To what you are trying to prove. Evidence to the contrary in other words.

Happy Monkey · 06-15-2007, 11:36 AM

There isn't really any possible exception to "cogito, ergo sum". Unfortunately, there also isn't anything else that can be concluded using it.

Rexmons · 06-15-2007, 11:57 AM

I think therefore I am.

Shawnee123 · 06-15-2007, 11:58 AM

.

SteveDallas · 06-15-2007, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

You can't prove to me that you exist. Don't even bother, it's impossible.

No, but I can prove to me that you don't exist. That's all that matters.

Cloud · 06-15-2007, 12:19 PM

"What is it of you?" I have no idea what that means. Or why I win. I think you do, cause, you know--it was clever!

. . . and also a bit mean.

and I was going to make a sex comment, along the lines of if we were having sex you'd know I was real . . .

but then I thought--but he could be thinking of Angelina Jolie at the time.

. . . so I didn't!

Cicero · 06-15-2007, 01:00 PM

I am so confident about that.....I had to do this

wolf · 06-15-2007, 01:58 PM

This is a Far Side cartoon, isn't it? Or at least something from the golden days of the New Yorker?

You all know the one, right ... blackboard full of equations, chalk falling to the floor, another scientist looking guy comes into the panel and says something like "My God, Johnson finally proved he doesn't exist!"

freshnesschronic · 06-15-2007, 02:32 PM

I don't think any computer program can be as successful in fledging full out responses, threads, emotions and substance that Dwellars crank out on a daily basis. We all exist whether we want to believe it or not.

Flint · 06-15-2007, 02:46 PM

Computer program? Let's start at the top. My eyes absorb some radiation and it gets converted into a neurochemical phantom... where? ...inside my head. Oh. Actually all I have to go by is inside my head, I can't even count on the eyes, the radiation, or the assumption that I'm even looking at a computer screen; much less that anything, even a computer program, is making the pixels (do pixels exist?) change configuration.

06-15-2007, 11:03 AM	#1
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	And yet you keep talking to me. You keep creating those threads. You keep listening for me to reply. Your refusal to accept the proof does not negate the proof. Besides, I don't exist. How's that possible? __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

06-15-2007, 11:07 AM	#2
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I am neither talking nor listening. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

06-15-2007, 11:14 AM	#3
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Does proof require a concrete statement of the conditions that are to be met, therefore a total knowledge of the subject under consideration, therefore an impossible omniscience; in other words, is proof impossible? If we attempt proof of a limited data set, do we ignore the interrelationships it has with it's surroundings? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

06-15-2007, 11:17 AM	#4
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	"Proof" simply means you haven't seen the exception. And since you can't prove there isn't an exception then you can't prove anything. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

06-15-2007, 11:36 AM	#7
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	There isn't really any possible exception to "cogito, ergo sum". Unfortunately, there also isn't anything else that can be concluded using it. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

06-15-2007, 11:57 AM	#8
Rexmons - Kavkaz United - Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 613	I think therefore I am. __________________ "Life's a bitch but God forbid the bitch divorce me..."

06-15-2007, 11:58 AM	#9
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby Last edited by Shawnee123; 09-25-2007 at 11:49 AM.

06-15-2007, 12:19 PM	#11
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	"What is it of you?" I have no idea what that means. Or why I win. I think you do, cause, you know--it was clever! . . . and also a bit mean. and I was going to make a sex comment, along the lines of if we were having sex you'd know I was real . . . but then I thought--but he could be thinking of Angelina Jolie at the time. . . . so I didn't! __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!" Last edited by Cloud; 06-15-2007 at 12:25 PM.

06-15-2007, 01:00 PM	#12
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	I am so confident about that.....I had to do this Attached Images

06-15-2007, 01:58 PM	#13
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	This is a Far Side cartoon, isn't it? Or at least something from the golden days of the New Yorker? You all know the one, right ... blackboard full of equations, chalk falling to the floor, another scientist looking guy comes into the panel and says something like "My God, Johnson finally proved he doesn't exist!" __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-15-2007, 02:32 PM	#14
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	I don't think any computer program can be as successful in fledging full out responses, threads, emotions and substance that Dwellars crank out on a daily basis. We all exist whether we want to believe it or not.

06-15-2007, 02:46 PM	#15
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Computer program? Let's start at the top. My eyes absorb some radiation and it gets converted into a neurochemical phantom... where? ...inside my head. Oh. Actually all I have to go by is inside my head, I can't even count on the eyes, the radiation, or the assumption that I'm even looking at a computer screen; much less that anything, even a computer program, is making the pixels (do pixels exist?) change configuration. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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