Religious Discrimination in the USA

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

You admit you didn't have to do that. You doubt it has a positive effect on people that believe it matters?

OK, so we have to tear down all the buildings and rewrite history because you can't see past that stuff like everyone else does. Your share will be 3 billion dollars... get it up and we'll start.

Nope, I don't admit that at all... I was rejected.
Not all buildings, just remove religion from facades on government buildings.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Over here you can simply take an oath instead of swearing on the bible if you choose.

It's the same here.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Nope, I don't admit that at all... I was rejected.
Not all buildings, just remove religion from facades on government buildings.

A lot of people are rejected, I suspect they decided to boot you out when you asked the Judge to present his Sheep Skin and a transcript of his grades.

Who decides what symbols are religious? How about a sheep or sheave of wheat? I've seen them in a lot of religious documents. Oh, and the scales of justice....looks like a cross to me. Books might have the same words some bibles do. Any other Bogey-mans only you can see?

No, they learn no perspective. Religion is left out of it all together.

That it is a large part of someone's life does not mean it is their right to make it part of everyone's day around them.

[monster]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

No, they learn no perspective. Religion is left out of it all together.

That it is a large part of someone's life does not mean it is their right to make it part of everyone's day around them.

The majority of Americans have some religious belief. How is it beneficial to a child to be blinkered from this? How is it beneficial to socety to bring up children who do not understand one another's home lives? Humans are social, society comes from integration. If a child is taught nothing about religion and beliefs, how are they expected to interact with those who have different beliefs? If a child is taught only about one paradigm, how are they to integrate?

I believe that there is no such thing as a god. I believe in the big bang -or something like it- and evolution. I was brought up as a christian, but not strictly so. I am comfortable in my beliefs. Mostly because I worked them out for myself. I want my children to do the same. I talk to them about religion, I tell them what others believe, but it's hard because I don't believe it. I'd rather they learned it in a neutral setting, so they can make up their own minds.

[monster]

....isn't your approach to religious education a little like the "let's pretend sex doesn't exist" approach to hoping your teenager doesn't become a parent?

Nope, I can prove sex.

Kids can learn about religion from their parents. If parents want their kids to learn religion in school they should send them to a religious school.

If they do not learn about it in school, you can ensure they do learn about it in a neutral setting.

Though I have really have no issue if it is really taught along side many other religions with complete equality and never said to be true or not or more valid or relevant than any other religion & doing so was a termination offense.

[DanaC]

Surely though rkzenrage and Monster, there's a difference between having a faith (usually Christianity) wrapped around and embedded in all parts of a child's education, and a set lesson for Religious Education?

In the UK in most state secondary schools, for example, (except the faith schools but that's a different discussion :P) there is very little religion involved in the day to day running of the school: there are no morning prayers, no hymns sung at assembly, absolutely no religious imagery around the school except at times of festival (and we tend to do that with other religious festivals not just christianity).

What there is compulsory R.E. In R.E, most children learn about the major, and even some of the minor, religions. They learn about the origins and practices of those religions; they also learn about some of the major discussion points/points of contention in those religions.

That is not indoctrination or inculcation. It does however provide a good understanding of religion generally and of some faiths specifically. It also only becomes a compulsory part of the curriculum when the kids reach 11 years old.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

you said that teaching a child that sinning leads to hell is child abuse.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I said nothing of the sort... I said if they did certain things it was child abuse, not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.

teaching children that if they sin they will go to hell, which is child abuse

Telling a child that if they sin they will go to hell is child abuse.

Please show me where you are specifying certain things in these statements.

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Please show me where you are specifying certain things in these statements.

Nice misquote, the second quote was in response to the statement that I said religion was child abuse. Teaching kids that if they sin they will suffer in hell is child abuse. If your religion does not teach that, it may not be abusive.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Teaching kids that if they sin they will suffer in hell is child abuse. If your religion does not teach that, it may not be abusive.

Never heard of a religion that teaches that.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Never heard of a religion that teaches that.

Have you ever been to a catholic mass Bruce? lol

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Have you ever been to a catholic mass Bruce? lol

Yes I have. Where in the catholic mass does it tell children if they sin they will go to hell?

[glatt]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Nice misquote....

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She nailed you. She said you had said something. You denied it, and she quoted and linked to two places where you had said it. How is that a misquote? The words are right there on the screen. You typed them.

Originally Posted by glatt

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She nailed you. She said you had said something. You denied it, and she quoted and linked to two places where you had said it. How is that a misquote? The words are right there on the screen. You typed them.

The response she used of mine was not to the quote above it in her post.
It was to the statement that religion was child abuse, which I never stated.
Telling children that sinning will lead to their eternal torture is child abuse and I stand by that statement... that is not the same as "religion".

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

It's the same here.

A lot of people are rejected, I suspect they decided to boot you out when you asked the Judge to present his Sheep Skin and a transcript of his grades.

Who decides what symbols are religious? How about a sheep or sheave of wheat? I've seen them in a lot of religious documents. Oh, and the scales of justice....looks like a cross to me. Books might have the same words some bibles do. Any other Bogey-mans only you can see?

Keep reachin'.

[piercehawkeye45]

Religion studies should be tied in with history but that is learning about the religion, like we do about buddhism or hinduism now.