Obama's Dog

[Nirvana]

Local Humane Societies are wonderful community assets. The HSUS is an animal rights extremist group.

And now I might contribute $1 to In Defense of Animals with my next purchase on eBay.

Thanks for the tip!

[classicman]

Nirvana, I certainly respect your opinion, it simply differs from mine. I like you and I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

[xoxoxoBruce]

HSUS

Despite the words “humane society” on its letterhead, the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) is not affiliated with your local animal shelter. Despite the omnipresent dogs and cats in its fundraising materials, it’s not an organization that runs spay/neuter programs or takes in stray, neglected, and abused pets. And despite the common image of animal protection agencies as cash-strapped organizations dedicated to animal welfare, HSUS has become the wealthiest animal rights organization on earth.
HSUS is big, rich, and powerful, a “humane society” in name only. And while most local animal shelters are under-funded and unsung, HSUS has accumulated $113 million in assets and built a recognizable brand by capitalizing on the confusion its very name provokes. This misdirection results in an irony of which most animal lovers are unaware: HSUS raises enough money to finance animal shelters in every single state, with money to spare, yet it doesn’t operate a single one anywhere.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

HSUS

According to HSUS 2007 IRS filing, the organization gave $millions in grants to many local humane societies.

To give your link a little more perspective...

ActivistCash.com was created by the Center for Consumer Freedom that I referenced earlier in response to nirvanna citing it as a "factual" source even though it provides no primary source information or footnotes to verify its claims or charges (as most credilbe organzations would include as a standard practice).

It purports to be a consumer advocate organization but IMO, the evidence is rather compelling that it is a front group for the meat/poultry industry, restaurant industry, alcohol and tobacco interests, ...

Here is more on CCF and Activist.Com:
http://www.consumerdeception.com/
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...nsumer_Freedom
http://www.bermanexposed.org/
http://www.cspinet.org/new/200302201.html

[kerosene]

I know we are talking about dogs, here, but I think it is appropriate.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Redux

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To give your link a little more perspective...

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on
a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people
don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to
drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country."

So that's not true because it was said by Hermann Goering.

[DanaC]

So, is spaying and neutering at a particular age mandatory in some states?

[sugarpop]

I think I know what I've voted for...

[sugarpop]

I never said I voted on ANYTHING other than the horse meat. I said I supported the things in the link you posted, and went on to explain how things are done in California, where THE PEOPLE vote on issues like that, because they are put on a ballot.

[Nirvana]

I see you are still having trouble : no one was talking about horse meat you answered my quote here about spay and neuter

Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
The people in Los Angeles did not vote on that issue their representatives did and I think you will see a change in representatives because of their actions.

you said

Excuse me, I was LIVING THERE when it was on the ballot the first time. I VOTED ON IT.

Well no you did not

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

I see you are still having trouble : no one was talking about horse meat you answered my quote here about spay and neuter

Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
The people in Los Angeles did not vote on that issue their representatives did and I think you will see a change in representatives because of their actions.

you said

Well no you did not

You posted a link, THIS LINK, http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/
I went and looked at the link. Horse meat was one of the issues in the link. I was explaining that in California, the people get to vote on things like that, and used the example of the horse meat issue as one that I had voted on. You assumed I was referring to something else, but I never, once, mentioned spay and neuter in my post.

[Nirvana]

I did not assume anything, you quoted my post on a spay and neuter vote, pretending you had voted on that subject. But you have fun shuffling off to Buffalo

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

I did not assume anything, you quoted my post on a spay and neuter vote, pretending you had voted on that subject. But you have fun shuffling off to Buffalo

NO I DIDN"T. I SAID I VOTED ON THE HORSE MEAT ISSUE.

Please, post the comment where I said I voted on a spay and neuter program. I fucking dare you. You can't, because I NEVER SAID THAT.

[Nirvana]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

NO I DIDN"T. I SAID I VOTED ON THE HORSE MEAT ISSUE.

Please, post the comment where I said I voted on a spay and neuter program. I fucking dare you. You can't, because I NEVER SAID THAT.

You dare me? Do you double DOG dare me?