Obama's Dog

[Nirvana]

Well you are welcome since you were insulting my intelligence throughout the entire thread I thought it was the least I could do!

I appreciate and support the work of organizations like ASPCA and HSUS. Although I cant document it, I suspect both organizations have widespread support in most communities.

PETA, on the other hand, is in a different class.

But so are those on the other side of the animal rights debate who misrepresent state laws as scare tactics, quote the CCF as a source of factual information rather than the industry front group propaganda machine that it is, and espouse rhetoric about the coming meatless, pet less society.

IMO, neither extremist should be taken seriously.

[Nirvana]

What does the HSUS do actually besides spend their millions of dollars on lobbying for legislation that is directed at people that own animals? They own no animal shelters. They do not rescue dogs . Just what is their agenda?
Lobbying and trying to pass laws that violate the civil rights of others..

You don't want to breed animals? Don't breed them! You don't want to eat animals? Don't eat them! Just as I respect your right to have those views kindly give me the same right to breed animals and eat meat if I want to. This is the USA and 1984 is just a piece of literature... so far...

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Just as I respect your right to have those views kindly give me the same right to breed animals and eat meat if I want to. This is the USA and 1984 is just a piece of literature... so far...

I respect your right to breed animals and eat meat.

I dont respect the propaganda you have espoused throughout this thread.....as a I noted - misrepresenting state laws, citing the CCF as a source of factual information, etc.

Dont most state and local humane dociety's own shelters and rescue dogs? I know the Washington DC Humane Society does.

[Nirvana]

No one that supports the animals rights extremist group known as the HSUS respects the rights of others. Since you have not proven that any of the facts that the CCF has written are wrong through any supporting facts other than meat producers being their largest contributors I suggest it is you that lacks credibility. Show me what HSUS is doing besides lobbying for legislation that violates the civil rights of animal owners. Show me the animal shelters they have. Show the animals they are helping.
Dog RESCUE is entirely different than an animal shelter. Rescues are usually breed specific.

Originally Posted by Nirvana

No one that supports the animals rights extremist group known as the HSUS respects the rights of others. Since you have not proven that any of the facts that the CCF has written are wrong through any supporting facts other than meat producers being their largest contributors I suggest it is you that lacks credibility. Show me what HSUS is doing besides lobbying for legislation that violates the civil rights of animal owners. Show me the animal shelters they have. Show the animals they are helping

Look, you can believe the CCF even though it does not document any of its allegations. That is your right. But until it provides sources for the numerous charges on its "fact sheets," I dont give it much credibility and will treat it as an industry front group and not a consumer advocate...and that is my right.

As to the HSUS....dont most state and local humane societies own shelters and rescue dogs? I know the Washington DC Humane Society does and it is widely supported in the city and not just by "a minority with money who want a meatless, pet less sociey."

[Nirvana]

Humane Society of the United States... Catchy name they have huh? Makes you think they are the ones in charge of your Humane Society. Well they have nothing to do with any humane societies except that is in their name. Ask your shelter.The HSUS is not affiliated with any local shelters. They have nothing to do with your local shelter
I wonder why HSUS with all their money does not sue CCF for libel? Because you can't really do that when its the truth.

[Nirvana]

Local Humane Societies are wonderful community assets. The HSUS is an animal rights extremist group.

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Humane Society of the United States... Catchy name they have huh? Makes you think they are the ones in charge of your Humane Society. Well they have nothing to do with any humane societies except that is in their name. Ask your shelter.The HSUS is not affiliated with any local shelters. They have nothing to do with your local shelter
I wonder why HSUS with all their money does not sue CCF for libel? Because you can't really do that when its the truth.

The HSUS is like many national organizations, where comparable local organizations are independent but informally connected. The national provides advocacy, training, education, resources, standards, etc. (How Is The HSUS Affiliated With My Local Humane Society?)

LOL on your insistence on the truthfulness of the CCF. The fact is that you cannot document any of their charges.

IMO, you are just as much of an extremist as PETA.

You spread bullshit about state laws and fear mongering about a coming "meatless and pet less" society.

That's why I dont either you or PETA very seriously.

[Nirvana]

Your, hmmm shall we say naivete is what organizations like the HSUS count on to collect their money. They had nothing to do with your shelter or how its run or any other shelter in the United States. They are not affiliated in any manner nor are they connected. All you or anyone else has to do is ask their local Humane Society. The HSUS merely collects money so they can lobby for legislation that violates the rights of people that own animals.. They are an animal rights extremist organization.
Your insistence that the CCF is lying is charming.

And now I might contribute $1 to In Defense of Animals with my next purchase on eBay.

Thanks for the tip!

[Nirvana]

Think of me as chicken little if you like but you will never see that the sky is falling if you are so intent on grabbing your ankles.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Did you read the article CM?
Usually rescue dogs have problems that go beyond an amateur's knowledge of care.

Yes I read the OPINION piece you quoted. So what? Because you repeatedly quoted it doesn't mean that her opinion is any more valid than yours, mine or anyone elses.
And again, I wholeheartedly disagree with the author that "rescue dogs usually have problems...." The problems just make good press. You NEVER hear of the hundreds of thousands that go to good homes without problems, just loving families.

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Well you are welcome since you were insulting my intelligence throughout the entire thread I thought it was the least I could do!

I never insulted your intelligence. I questioned some of your opinions. I voiced my opinions which differed. Isn't that what this is all about? Yet because I disagreed, I insulted you?

Originally Posted by Nirvana

What does the HSUS do actually besides spend their millions of dollars on lobbying for legislation that is directed at people that own animals?

I would certainly hope that they would direct their efforts at people with animals.
In 2008, they only spent $40,000. They haven't spent more than $200,000 since 2004.

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Just what is their agenda?
Lobbying and trying to pass laws that violate the civil rights of others..

try this
or this

Originally Posted by classicman

Uh, no I don't think so - try this

Thanks for the link on HSUS lobbying expenditures.

It looks to me like they spend far more each year on providing free veterinary care in rural communities than they do on lobbying.

Each year HSVMA-RAVS provides over $1 million in free veterinary services to upwards of 7,000 animals, all at no cost to the clients or communities we serve. In addition the program provides valuable training and experience for hundreds of future veterinary professionals that goes far beyond anything they could learn in a classroom alone.

http://ruralareavet.org/

[classicman]

Nirvana, I certainly respect your opinion, it simply differs from mine. I like you and I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.