Sexual misconduct

Undertoad · 01-16-2018, 10:28 PM

The message of the #MeToo movement was "sexual abuse and workplace harassment will not longer go unreported." Saying it's about general "respect" is a serious dilution/broadening of that which is not good for the movement.

Ansari is a self-described feminist man, celebrates the #MeToo movement and is considered woke. He probably believed he was respecting her. He texted her the next day (unprovoked - hurr durrr neanderthal man would not text or call, and that would be seen as a sign of... disrespect) and he was surprised to find it didn't go well.

Flint · 01-16-2018, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

The message of the #MeToo movement was "sexual abuse and workplace harassment will not longer go unreported." Saying it's about general "respect" is a serious dilution/broadening of that which is not good for the movement.

I've already rejected that premise. I reject the utter ƒuck out of the idea that we can't do better than discouraging things that are ALREADY ILLEGAL.

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What if the IRL gist of the 'movement' being publicized as having monolithic, prescriptive goals, is really just a simple idea, like, "please treat women with more respect"?

Like, really, in 2018, we can't make this a general goal? Too ambitious??

Undertoad · 01-17-2018, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I reject the utter ƒuck out of the idea that we can't do better than discouraging things that are ALREADY ILLEGAL.

Like, really, in 2018, we can't make this a general goal? Too ambitious??

Why stop at women's respect? Let's go all the way and talk about respect for all. It's definitely not just a feminist issue! I've already talked about the male equivalent of sexual assault being physical assault. We've shared stories. We've shown it to be a massive problem. It would be great if we could convince people to stop physically assaulting males. It's something that is "ALREADY ILLEGAL" and we never even talk about it.

#MeToo I was physically assaulted so I am taking the tag for my OWN purposes.

What, is that offensive?

What, too general?

Wasn't the problem YOU PERSONALLY were hoping to address?

You ReJeCt the PrEmIsE?

I'm sure you now see, I don't get to do that, and you don't get to do that, because that is not how this works.

Flint · 01-17-2018, 10:26 AM

I think it is clear and obvious that there is a massive, longstanding, global deficit in the levels of basic human decency and respect that is paid to women--specifically, and I think it's clear and obvious that the issue currently has traction and visibility, so now is the time to press that advantage and discuss it to the maximum possible extent. All the rest is blah, blah, blah. This is what's happening.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-17-2018, 11:02 AM

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global deficit in the levels of basic human decency and respect that is paid to women

Oh great slogan. Every man in the world can nod and say good idea, but that applies to someone else, someone in those shithole countries, or the ragheads, Commies, etc, certainly not me. Generalities only work on paper.

Flint · 01-17-2018, 11:06 AM

Seems like the only thing worse than generalities are specifics. Specifics are rebuttal fodder.

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Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I think it is clear and obvious that there is a massive, longstanding, global deficit in the levels of basic human decency and respect that is paid to women--specifically, and I think it's clear and obvious that the issue currently has traction and visibility, so now is the time to press that advantage and discuss it to the maximum possible extent. All the rest is blah, blah, blah. This is what's happening. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio** Last edited by Flint; 01-17-2018 at 10:50 AM.

01-17-2018, 11:06 AM	#6
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Seems like the only thing worse than generalities are specifics. Specifics are rebuttal fodder. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

01-16-2018, 10:28 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The message of the #MeToo movement was "sexual abuse and workplace harassment will not longer go unreported." Saying it's about general "respect" is a serious dilution/broadening of that which is not good for the movement. Ansari is a self-described feminist man, celebrates the #MeToo movement and is considered woke. He probably believed he was respecting her. He texted her the next day (unprovoked - hurr durrr neanderthal man would not text or call, and that would be seen as a sign of... disrespect) and he was surprised to find it didn't go well.

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