Have we become used to or immune to mass shootings?

[henry quirk]

Happy,

'Liberals' offer bad compromises always as a prelude to larger, equally bad, compromises.

It's a sneaky, gutless, way of eatin' away at things one has no courage to confront honestly.

Just admit you want all guns gone...this is honest, straightforward...all involved know where they stand...the war that follows is open (instead of ths 'civil' subtle exercise in misdirection and lies).

The person whose post I linked up-thread I think is awful...but at least they aren't pretending.

[henry quirk]

V,

When you agree with someone, you never ask for proof, evidence, citations.

When you disagree with someone, you always demand proof, evidence, citations.

And when proof, evidence, citations are offered you neatly side-step, moving on, always moving on.

Sexobon might be trollin', but he's also right...even a casual review of what's goin' on illustrates this...so: the evidence, the proof, is on the table...all Sexobon has to do, if he likes, is comment on it...not his job to shove your face down into it (which wouldn't work anyway, cuz, as I say, you'll just side-step and move on).

[henry quirk]

Bruce,

I'm plain-spoken, simple (minded) even.

If the masses don't get me it's cuz they don't wanna...which is fine by me...I certainly get them, don't like them, will oppose them at every turn.

[tw]

Could never get on Nixon's enemies list. Even Trump's is a challenge. But anyone can so easily get on henry quirk's enemies list.

Just don't use profanity. He lives for profanity. And hate. Just another reason why some need big guns - to defend from everyone.

[henry quirk]

Hate: yep, a gut full, for the deserving.

Profanity: fuck yeah...it's language, a tool...it has its place no matter what domesticated types like you have to say on the matter.

Big gun: just one...only need one...you ever get a hankerin' to see it up close, let me know...I'll e you my address...you can swing by...we'll see what's what.

[henry quirk]

"It's dishonest to claim that the current one doesn't exist because you're worried about the next one."

When the current offered compromise is just a step in a series of compromises designed to disarm folks (and so isn't a compromise at all), then -- no -- it's not dishonest.

#

"And it's disingenuous to use the dishonest claim that liberals don't compromise to justify the fact that the NRA doesn't."

Fuck the NRA. You think the NRA is the problem. It ain't nuthin'. Me, I'm the problem...I have a gun and won't give it up, or be hobbled in my ownership of it. End the NRA and you still have (folks like) me to deal with.

No compromises...no deals...no 'feel good' solutions.

I will not accept restrictions cuz of the bad acts of others.

[tw]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

When the current offered compromise is just a step in a series of compromises designed to disarm folks (and so isn't a compromise at all), then -- no -- it's not dishonest.

Wow. He was able to post without profanity.

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Fuck the NRA.

Damn. I was hoping he could.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

'Liberals' offer bad compromises always as a prelude to larger, equally bad, compromises.

It's fine to worry about the next compromise when considering a current one. It's dishonest to claim that the current one doesn't exist because you're worried about the next one.


And it's disingenuous to use the dishonest claim that liberals don't compromise to justify the fact that the NRA doesn't.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

... And it's disingenuous to use the dishonest claim that liberals don't compromise to justify the fact that the NRA doesn't.

And now I'll say again for the hard of comprehending, giving an inch opens the door for leftist extremists to try to take a mile and liberals aren't even going to try to do anything about it. It's not a compromise unless both sides are doing what it takes to enforce the agreement. I've seen liberals dropping the ball on this for forty years. It's not just what they do, it's who they are: the same people who would subvert the Constitution rather than do what it takes to change it ... the low-lives.

Neither the NRA nor any other organization (e.g. political party) needs any more justification than that to put them on ignore. They got what they bargained for, their children are paying the price, and all they want to do is argue that their children's safety is someone else's responsibility. Their bellyaching is not favorably considered. Give them more Trump and NRA. If it doesn't kill them, it'll make them stronger.

[Flint]

We comprehend you, it's easy to comprehend--all you're saying is that "Liberals want to take your guns away." Easy. But it's not true. The "inch" consists of common sense measures that a majority of Americans want. Let's discuss these proposals in good faith.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Flint

We comprehend you, it's easy to comprehend--all you're saying is that "Liberals want to take your guns away." Easy. But it's not true. The "inch" consists of common sense measures that a majority of Americans want. Let's discuss these proposals in good faith.

Been there, done that, the other side dropped the ball repeatedly when it came to reigning in their extreme factions while those who leaned conservative rode shotgun to keep their extreme factions in check. That can happen only so many times before it becomes self evident that liberals are interested in what the other side can do for them; but, when it comes to what they can do for the other side, not so much. Your good faith line has been used ad museum with the aforementioned results. If you want to show good faith, change the Constitution. I've been watching this dog and pony show since before you were born and that's where it's at now.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by sexobon

Been there, done that, the other side dropped the ball repeatedly when it came to reigning in their extreme factions while those who leaned conservative rode shotgun to keep their extreme factions in check. That can happen only so many times before it becomes self evident that liberals are interested in what the other side can do for them; but, when it comes to what they can do for the other side, not so much. Your good faith line has been used ad museum with the aforementioned results. If you want to show good faith, change the Constitution. I've been watching this dog and pony show since before you were born and that's where it's at now.

There is a whole other thread here if anybody is interested. Maybe sexobon would like to expand his theory of why we're on the cusp of wrecking the American Experiment. There is some truth in it.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

And now I'll say again for the hard of comprehending, giving an inch opens the door for leftist extremists to try to take a mile and liberals aren't even going to try to do anything about it.

An extremist even posted that moderates define the NRA. Anyone who makes a conclusion by first learning history knows an extremist is reciting what the Central Committee of the Communist Party has ordered him to think. (Or is it the Nazi party? They also demonstrate against moderates by carrying big guns.)

NRA had a long history of promoting responsible gun ownership. "NRA support gun control for much of the 20th century, its leadership in fact lobbied for and co-authored gun control legislation." NRA was a leading advocate of gun regulations due to a massive 1930 murder rate directly traceable to more and more powerful guns. NRA was even a leading advocate for limiting gun ownership when Kennedy was shot in 1963.

That changed in 1971 when the ATF, during a house raid, shot and paralyzed Kenyon Ballew; suspected of stockpiling illegal weapons. In 1975, the NRA changed from responsible gun ownership to giving more and bigger guns to everyone. Only extremists believe a lie that more guns make a safety society. This was discuss here years ago with facts and numbers. Increase in number of guns throughout history has always been followed by a massive increase in gun deaths.

A major change occurred even over a trivial issue. Issue was lead contamination on firing ranges. Lead danger was just too much for wackos who denied lead was dangerous, must be in all paints, and must never be removed from gasoline. For the same reasons those extremists today also know global warming does not exist. They were told what to believe rather than first learn facts.

Another factor was the famous "The Cincinnati Revolution". Extremists took over; NRA promoted more and bigger guns. We see today the results of that extremism even in 'the murdered students of the week'. We need a weekly lottery for the number of students killed every week. But the NRA will complain. It does not promote bigger guns with larger clips.

NRA was once a major proponent of responsible gun ownership NRA now advocates more and bigger guns in every house - even if he is a felon. Does not matter what they say; what matters is what they promote to even make guns available to felons.

NRA has successfully protected a felon's access to assault weapons. He just cannot buy them in a gun store. But can purchase on the street or in gun shows. What moderate would promote that? What Sexobon calles a moderate is a wacko extremist. But to him, that is a moderate. And everyone else must be a liberal. It clearly defines him as an extremist so right wing as to be wacko.

Facts make it clear. NRA since the late 1970s was dominated by extremists who promote soundbytes to increase the power, munitions, and numbers of guns. They have not said it yet. But their propaganda even justifies 155 mm howitzers and grenade launchers. Their rhetoric: that will somehow increase human safety and reduce crime.

A moderate can see through those lies. An extremist does not.

[xoxoxoBruce]

tw, calling everyone who doesn't agree with you an extremist, or a child, blows your credibility from the git go.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

tw, calling everyone who doesn't agree with you an extremist, or a child, blows your credibility from the git go.

Not to mention he said a .22 cal. six shooter is enough for anybody.



You can't read his writings and keep a straight face anymore.