personhood

Flint · 10-13-2019, 07:16 PM

You don't know how rare self-aware organisms with free will are, nor do any of us. I can't look at a transmission and tell you how to fix it and I also can't look through a telescope and tell you how many planets have complex life on them. That doesn't mean anything--it just means I don't know how to do it.

We have one example, life on Earth, and it seems self-awareness and free will are pretty common.

If life is common, and free will where there's life is common, where does the "humans are special" part come in?

henry quirk · 10-13-2019, 07:28 PM

“If life is common, and free will where there's life is common, where does the "humans are special" part come in?”

‘If’

As you say: we don’t know, may not ever know, may not be able to know.

We do know living matter exists ‘here’ and we know self-aware matter exists ‘here’, and it seems just within the confines of our system to be rare.

As I say: it would be great if the universe, our galactic cluster, our galaxy, our system, teemed with self-aware (or even just living) matter. My gut tells me not to hold my breath waiting for evidence.

As aside: if Reality is overflowing with living matter and self-aware matter, it still would be a rarity cuz - again - matter is rare (the universe is mostly a big empty volume).

henry quirk · 10-13-2019, 07:31 PM

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10-13-2019, 07:16 PM	#1
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	You don't know how rare self-aware organisms with free will are, nor do any of us. I can't look at a transmission and tell you how to fix it and I also can't look through a telescope and tell you how many planets have complex life on them. That doesn't mean anything--it just means I don't know how to do it. We have one example, life on Earth, and it seems self-awareness and free will are pretty common. If life is common, and free will where there's life is common, where does the "humans are special" part come in? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-13-2019, 07:28 PM	#2
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	“If life is common, and free will where there's life is common, where does the "humans are special" part come in?” ‘If’ As you say: we don’t know, may not ever know, may not be able to know. We do know living matter exists ‘here’ and we know self-aware matter exists ‘here’, and it seems just within the confines of our system to be rare. As I say: it would be great if the universe, our galactic cluster, our galaxy, our system, teemed with self-aware (or even just living) matter. My gut tells me not to hold my breath waiting for evidence. As aside: if Reality is overflowing with living matter and self-aware matter, it still would be a rarity cuz - again - matter is rare (the universe is mostly a big empty volume). __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

10-13-2019, 07:31 PM	#3
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	and that’s me done till (probably) tomorrow later __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

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