personhood

henry quirk · 10-14-2019, 02:48 PM

"You've shared a lot about what you think free will "is" but, what do you think is it's origin? How does organized matter become endowed with agency?"

Hell if I know.

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"Pardon me for my obsession with understanding how things work, but I deeply believe in an orderly universe of cause and effect."

All the evidence sez C & E is fundamental to everything, yeah.

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"And we don't have to understand how everything works to observe that nature displays predictable patterns-- driving the same events to happen over and over."

On the fairly broad level we operate in, you're absolutely right.

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"I don't think we can understand the mechanics of how free will arises in a biological organism, but I think it's biological."

I think it's 'natural'...don't know about 'biological'.

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"The universe produces a thinking ape, and the ape says, "I'm the best thing." It's a comedy."

But what if that thinking, self-directing ape 'is' the best thing.

You say 'no'; I say 'mebbe'.

Flint · 10-14-2019, 02:53 PM

Why?

henry quirk · 10-14-2019, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

Why?

Why 'mebbe'?

gut feelin'

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10-14-2019, 02:48 PM	#1
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"You've shared a lot about what you think free will "is" but, what do you think is it's origin? How does organized matter become endowed with agency?" Hell if I know. # "Pardon me for my obsession with understanding how things work, but I deeply believe in an orderly universe of cause and effect." All the evidence sez C & E is fundamental to everything, yeah. # "And we don't have to understand how everything works to observe that nature displays predictable patterns-- driving the same events to happen over and over." On the fairly broad level we operate in, you're absolutely right. # "I don't think we can understand the mechanics of how free will arises in a biological organism, but I think it's biological." I think it's 'natural'...don't know about 'biological'. # "The universe produces a thinking ape, and the ape says, "I'm the best thing." It's a comedy." But what if that thinking, self-directing ape 'is' the best thing. You say 'no'; I say 'mebbe'. __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

10-14-2019, 02:53 PM	#2
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Why? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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