What's more current than the weather?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Griff

Home power production is looking smarter out there.

Buried power lines do not create forest fires.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by tw

Buried power lines do not create forest fires.

Though you'd need to come up with about eight or ten times the price of overhead lines to manage it. Less digging the trench, I think, than conduiting the line and ensuring connections are permanently watertight. While out of sight and out of mind.

The immediate source of difficulties just all anywhere are California forests shorting the lines. Second place is probably transformer fires.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

The immediate source of difficulties just all anywhere are California forests shorting the lines. Second place is probably transformer fires.

Simply keep bending metal back and forth. It eventually breaks - just like metal wires on poles constantly bending back and forth in high winds.

Transformer fires more often happen after some other external event - a fallen wires, lightning strikes, etc. All eliminated when transformers are underground with the wires.

How to make a nation more product and wealthier. Invest money into what makes equipment and systems more reliable and last longer. And not waste $3 trillion on wars only justified by emotions and lies.

We are still paying for off that $3 trillion fiasco (and another $2 trillion in a nearby country). Where does that money come from? Schools, infrastructure, utility systems, innovation, research, public welfare, and a military that is twice as large as all other NATO countries combined. CA electric problems are simply another symptoms of money games that now must exist.

Considering how little we invest, it is amazing how reliable the electric grid really is.

UTs numbers assume we will only rip up existing neighborhoods. Those costs are quite small when high voltage wires transverse open spaces - where fires happen.

Why do electric wires costs so much more to bury that 24 inch pipe lines?

But then we would have had $3 trillion to invest had we not decided to massacre 5000 American servicemen in Iraq for no purpose.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Yuck...

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by tw

Simply keep bending metal back and forth. It eventually breaks - just like metal wires on poles constantly bending back and forth in high winds.

Transformer fires more often happen after some other external event - a fallen wires, lightning strikes, etc. All eliminated when transformers are underground with the wires.

To fatigue metal, you have to bend it beyond its elastic limit. Guess what: they don't *do* that with transmission lines. Learn metal fatigue and stop being such an anticorporate three-headed slut. Kascinski's already in jail for that.

You still see fires in electrical vaults and none to say exactly why. Internal failures still happen. Consider what a transformer does -- and the amps and volts it does it with -- high-energy environments, however canned, host high-energy events like transformer oil catching fire.

How to make a nation more product[sic] and wealthier. Invest money into what makes equipment and systems more reliable and last longer. And not waste $3 trillion on wars only justified by emotions and lies.

We are still paying for off that $3 trillion fiasco (and another $2 trillion in a nearby country).

"Why does nobody ever follow MY agenda! It's superior!!! I personally thought it up!!1! (It doesn't have any of that icky prodemocracy stuff)"
Mockery to one side, this is the sort of thing tw's mentality coughs up because he cannot live a virtuous life -- were that to happen, suddenly something in tw-world would be worthy! Not something tw will quietly tolerate.

CA electric problems are simply another symptoms of money games that now must exist.

Must? Really? Try making some sort of argument by way of demonstration.

Why do electric wires costs so much more to bury that 24 inch pipe lines?

Keep this from being rhetorical by finding out why.

But then we would have had $3 trillion to invest had we not decided to massacre 5000 American servicemen in Iraq for no purpose.

All thoughtful persons must recognize with me that autocracies and tyrannies have to sprout and then flourish over all the world -- then all the world will suck just like me, and I'll have all the miserable company available."
No thanks. A man of liberty like me knows that societies conceived in and dedicated to liberty are the only worthwhile ones. Indeed, they are the only ones tolerable. One therefore could not disapprove of tyrant-smashing and regime change in the more libertarian, less sociopath-driven direction -- can you name an autocrat, a man on horseback, who isn't a few steps down the socio path? I don't believe I could. Clinically rational, perhaps -- but they're all nearer to Emperor Ming than to Jimmy Carter.