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[Luce]

Originally Posted by sexobon

The Senate should offer Biden immunity to testify. That way if he still won't testify, It'll look like a cover-up for his son. The next step then, is for the President to grant Biden a pre-emptive pardon (whether he's been charged or not, whether he wants it or not) as the coup de grâce.

You have to accept a pardon, because accepting a pardon is an admission of wrongdoing.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I never thought about that, do you have a choice in accepting a pardon or not?
Maybe we don't know because nobody ever has tried to decline a pardon.
If you can't decline, can you appeal it?

[Luce]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I never thought about that, do you have a choice in accepting a pardon or not?
Maybe we don't know because nobody ever has tried to decline a pardon.
If you can't decline, can you appeal it?

Pardons can and have been refused.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wilson

[xoxoxoBruce]

That's interesting, death for robbing the mail. And he refused the pardon, I wonder why.

[Luce]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

That's interesting, death for robbing the mail. And he refused the pardon, I wonder why.

Back in Jackson's day, you could get hanged for all manner of shit.

I am guessing that he flat up refused to admit any guilt.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Luce

I am guessing that he flat up refused to admit any guilt.

Suicide by Executioner.

[Luce]

Originally Posted by tw

Suicide by Executioner.

I've known the kind of people that would take a dive before admitting to something they didn't do.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Luce

You have to accept a pardon, because accepting a pardon is an admission of wrongdoing.

Not accepting a pardon doesn't stop the President from granting one whether the person wants it or not. It only stops it from taking effect. A pardon "carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it." That would be the political value of it whether or not it's accepted.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by sexobon

Not accepting a pardon doesn't stop the President from granting one whether the person wants it or not. It only stops it from taking effect.

If you're in jail and a pardon is issued will they let you stay in jail. Doubt it.
Can you stop your record being expunged? Probably not.
So I'd think it does go into effect like it or not. Of course the damage is done politically so it's really a moot point.


And believe me, I'll take the pardon in a heartbeat.