Bernie Bails

Flint · 04-08-2020, 03:31 PM

A fair goal, considered that voters agree with his policies, just not him as a candidate.

henry quirk · 04-08-2020, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

A fair goal, considered that voters agree with his policies, just not him as a candidate.

You forgot some between that and voters.

Flint · 04-08-2020, 04:21 PM

most

henry quirk · 04-09-2020, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

most

That's why he's the presumed nominee...oh, wait...

Flint · 04-09-2020, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

his policies, just not him as a candidate.

henry quirk · 04-09-2020, 03:07 PM

Smokin' Joe is the presumed nominee.

Is Smokin' Joe socialist?

Has Smokin' Joe adhered, or promised to adhere, to Bernie's policies?

No, reality is some folks liked Bernie, some folks liked his policies, but not enough to win him the chance to go up against my employee.

The other possibility is: most did or do want Bernie/his policies but the powers that be in the Party said no.

Pick your poison: Bernie/Socialism is a loser, or, the party of the people thwarted the will of the people.

Flint · 04-09-2020, 03:21 PM

It's not that complicated.

When you look at a list of his policy positions, polling indicates that a majority of Americans--Democrat AND Republicans!!--support his positions. It has been this way since 2016 and it's increased over time.

1) he's not the nominee-- true
2) a majority of Americans support his actual positions-- also true

That's all I'm saying, and it's not an opinion.

henry quirk · 04-09-2020, 03:38 PM

When you look at a list of his policy positions, polling indicates that a majority of Americans--Democrat AND Republicans!!--support his positions. It has been this way since 2016 and it's increased over time.

Which polls? And, if true, why isn't Bernie the nominee? If the majority agree with him, he'd be a stone-cold winner, yeah?

it's not an opinion.

Yeah, I think it is.

It's not that complicated.

If you're right, then it must be hellishly complicated otherwise Bernie would be the guy, not Joe.

Again: Bernie supporters are a losin' minority, or, the powers in party of the people circumvented the will of the people.

Flint · 04-09-2020, 03:43 PM

it's the second one. new to politics?

since when does what people actually want matter to who gets elected? lol

glatt · 04-09-2020, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk

The other possibility is: most did or do want Bernie/his policies but the powers that be in the Party said no.

There's evidence that the deck was stacked against Bernie the last time around. The powers that be did block him.

This time, I haven't seen any evidence of that. And the "powers that be" are the voters.

Flint · 04-09-2020, 04:04 PM

24 hours before Super Tuesday, Biden was a career primary loser who had been losing at Presidential campaigns since 1988. Then, in a perfectly coordinated, last-ditch effort, everybody dropped out and endorsed Biden*, impossibly reviving his dead campaign. That wasn't "voters"

Biden was going to be the candidate this time, come hell or high water.

*timing it just right in the news cycle!

henry quirk · 04-09-2020, 07:11 PM

Shoulda said that from the start: woulda saved time.

#

the "powers that be" are the voters

Sometimes, more on the local, regional, and state levels than the national one.

#

Biden was going to be the candidate this time, come hell or high water.

Which is nonsensical if, as you say, the majority favored or favor socialism. Why would the party of the people cast away their chance to oust my employee? Sure as shit: Smokin' Joe ain't gonna do that.

Bein' fair: while I don't think Bernie or socialism were or are favored, Bernie represented, still represents, a threat to the party's old guard, the folks who'll play footsie with commies, er, socialists but themselves aren't socialists and who don't want socialists to get real power.

tw · 04-09-2020, 08:01 PM

Everybody (at least the intelligent ones) love the many problems that Bernie wants to solve. It all quickly falls apart as soon as he says how he will do it. His objectives were admirable. His solutions looked so much like The Don's.

Once it was clear that many voters were finally seeing through to the details, then much of Bernie's support vaporized.

I so remember those Sander's supporters - so ill informed as to repeatedly insist that the Federal Reserve was a private corporation. They even failed to learn from (and denied the solution to
) a near great Depression created by George Jr in 2007. Our asses were saved by the Fed and other properly implemented solutions such as Tarp.

Meanwhile, what inspired a Tea Party? More 'just as ill informed' who hated Tarp using similar over hyped and communist inspired hate. Similar communist regurgitation that Henry Quirk uses.

Notice what was repeatedly stated. All was best ignored until after Iowa. That is when a vacuum behind Bernie's proposals became obvious.

04-08-2020, 03:31 PM	#1
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04-08-2020, 04:21 PM	#3
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	most __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

04-09-2020, 03:07 PM	#6
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	his policies, just not him as a candidate Smokin' Joe is the presumed nominee. Is Smokin' Joe socialist? Has Smokin' Joe adhered, or promised to adhere, to Bernie's policies? No, reality is some folks liked Bernie, some folks liked his policies, but not enough to win him the chance to go up against my employee. The other possibility is: most did or do want Bernie/his policies but the powers that be in the Party said no. Pick your poison: Bernie/Socialism is a loser, or, the party of the people thwarted the will of the people. __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

04-09-2020, 03:21 PM	#7
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	It's not that complicated. When you look at a list of his policy positions, polling indicates that a majority of Americans--Democrat AND Republicans!!--support his positions. It has been this way since 2016 and it's increased over time. 1) he's not the nominee-- true 2) a majority of Americans support his actual positions-- also true That's all I'm saying, and it's not an opinion. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

04-09-2020, 03:38 PM	#8
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	When you look at a list of his policy positions, polling indicates that a majority of Americans--Democrat AND Republicans!!--support his positions. It has been this way since 2016 and it's increased over time. Which polls? And, if true, why isn't Bernie the nominee? If the majority agree with him, he'd be a stone-cold winner, yeah? it's not an opinion. Yeah, I think it is. It's not that complicated. If you're right, then it must be hellishly complicated otherwise Bernie would be the guy, not Joe. Again: Bernie supporters are a losin' minority, or, the powers in party of the people circumvented the will of the people. __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

04-09-2020, 03:43 PM	#9
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	it's the second one. new to politics? since when does what people actually want matter to who gets elected? lol __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

04-09-2020, 04:04 PM	#11
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	24 hours before Super Tuesday, Biden was a career primary loser who had been losing at Presidential campaigns since 1988. Then, in a perfectly coordinated, last-ditch effort, everybody dropped out and endorsed Biden, impossibly reviving his dead campaign. That wasn't "voters" Biden was going to be the candidate this time, come hell or high water. timing it just right in the news cycle! __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio** Last edited by Flint; 04-09-2020 at 04:14 PM.

04-09-2020, 07:11 PM	#12
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	it's the second one. Shoulda said that from the start: woulda saved time. # the "powers that be" are the voters Sometimes, more on the local, regional, and state levels than the national one. # Biden was going to be the candidate this time, come hell or high water. Which is nonsensical if, as you say, the majority favored or favor socialism. Why would the party of the people cast away their chance to oust my employee? Sure as shit: Smokin' Joe ain't gonna do that. Bein' fair: while I don't think Bernie or socialism were or are favored, Bernie represented, still represents, a threat to the party's old guard, the folks who'll play footsie with commies, er, socialists but themselves aren't socialists and who don't want socialists to get real power. __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

04-09-2020, 08:01 PM	#13
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Everybody (at least the intelligent ones) love the many problems that Bernie wants to solve. It all quickly falls apart as soon as he says how he will do it. His objectives were admirable. His solutions looked so much like The Don's. Once it was clear that many voters were finally seeing through to the details, then much of Bernie's support vaporized. I so remember those Sander's supporters - so ill informed as to repeatedly insist that the Federal Reserve was a private corporation. They even failed to learn from (and denied the solution to ) a near great Depression created by George Jr in 2007. Our asses were saved by the Fed and other properly implemented solutions such as Tarp. Meanwhile, what inspired a Tea Party? More 'just as ill informed' who hated Tarp using similar over hyped and communist inspired hate. Similar communist regurgitation that Henry Quirk uses. Notice what was repeatedly stated. All was best ignored until after Iowa. That is when a vacuum behind Bernie's proposals became obvious.

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