It's not over yet

jaguar · 07-18-2004, 04:58 AM

Iraqi women beg to be killed as American soldiers sodomize their children
Not entirely new and if it wasen't Seymour Hersh saying it I'd ignore it but...

There's a few other bits to do with this, there was a quote from rumsfeld quote that confirmed this but it seems to have been pulled.

Undertoad · 07-18-2004, 08:29 AM

Like other metafilterites I am treating it like a rumor until he publishes it in his magazine.

jaguar · 07-18-2004, 09:29 AM

Fair enough too. I did some googling around on the referenced Rumsfeld quote, no news sources, plenty of blogs, could've been pulled for inaccuracy or *ahem* other reasons.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-18-2004, 09:41 AM

Jesus H Motherfuckin' Christ of a stick.

jane_says · 07-18-2004, 11:27 PM

Remember when Cheney said that we would see lots of terrible things? Something about the other shoe dropping? I hope this is it. Surely there can't be anything else.

jane_says · 07-18-2004, 11:27 PM

Shit! Rumsfeld, not Cheney.

07-19-2004, 03:12 AM

I hope to God that's a lie. Silence on this one by the powers that be would be pretty damning in and of itself.

slang · 07-19-2004, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaguar

.......... I'd ignore it but...

Should I crank up my Jayna Davis, OKC bombing, tinfoil hat rumoUr machine again Jag?

Or maybe some quotes from Newsmax........or are they all the same thing?

jaguar · 07-19-2004, 04:46 AM

Might want to do some research on that journo, one of the greatest investigate hacks of the 20th century and someone more qualified than most to talk about military abuse of civvies before you dare compare him jingoistic crap like newsmax.

slang · 07-19-2004, 08:09 AM

( Note: the use of the name newsmax creates the same response in Jag as the name Haliburton creates for Griff.)

Griff · 07-19-2004, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slang

( Note: the use of the name newsmax creates the same response in Jag as the name Haliburton creates for Griff.)

Elevated blood pressure, pespiration on upper lip, blurred vision, rifle cleaning, shell countin'... yep pretty much

jaguar · 07-19-2004, 09:15 AM

Well it's like comparing a fine bottle of '64 vintage red to a bucket of rat piss. To put it nicely.

Undertoad · 07-19-2004, 09:23 AM

When Rumsfeld and members of the Senate committees talked about there being "more" and "worse" photos, the things they hinted about were definitely nothing this strong.

jaguar · 07-19-2004, 09:27 AM

That's hard to say, this is the MSNBC quote:

"Rumsfeld did not describe the photos, but U.S. military officials told NBC News that the unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and “acting inappropriately with a dead body.” The officials said there was also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys."

Which got pulled.
I found this Telegraph story which repeats the same claim, Salon has the same and there are a few other newspapers on there including the Guardian not to mention endless blogs. All talk of a video and there seem to be two seperate original sources, it's looking like it's got some weight to it.

Hell even Fox News has a story.

Catwoman · 07-19-2004, 11:24 AM

In what context would it be beneficial for someone (esp an American) to make this up?

07-18-2004, 04:58 AM	#1
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	It's not over yet Iraqi women beg to be killed as American soldiers sodomize their children Not entirely new and if it wasen't Seymour Hersh saying it I'd ignore it but... There's a few other bits to do with this, there was a quote from rumsfeld quote that confirmed this but it seems to have been pulled. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

07-18-2004, 09:29 AM	#3
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Fair enough too. I did some googling around on the referenced Rumsfeld quote, no news sources, plenty of blogs, could've been pulled for inaccuracy or ahem other reasons. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

07-18-2004, 09:41 AM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Jesus H Motherfuckin' Christ of a stick. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-19-2004, 04:46 AM	#9
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Might want to do some research on that journo, one of the greatest investigate hacks of the 20th century and someone more qualified than most to talk about military abuse of civvies before you dare compare him jingoistic crap like newsmax. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain Last edited by jaguar; 07-19-2004 at 04:53 AM.

07-19-2004, 09:15 AM	#12
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Well it's like comparing a fine bottle of '64 vintage red to a bucket of rat piss. To put it nicely. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

07-18-2004, 08:29 AM	#2
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Like other metafilterites I am treating it like a rumor until he publishes it in his magazine.

07-18-2004, 11:27 PM	#5
jane_says Colonist Extraordinaire Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: SW VA Posts: 200	Remember when Cheney said that we would see lots of terrible things? Something about the other shoe dropping? I hope this is it. Surely there can't be anything else.

07-19-2004, 03:12 AM	#7
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	I hope to God that's a lie. Silence on this one by the powers that be would be pretty damning in and of itself.

07-19-2004, 08:09 AM	#10
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	( Note: the use of the name newsmax creates the same response in Jag as the name Haliburton creates for Griff.)

07-19-2004, 09:23 AM	#13
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	When Rumsfeld and members of the Senate committees talked about there being "more" and "worse" photos, the things they hinted about were definitely nothing this strong.

07-19-2004, 09:27 AM	#14
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	That's hard to say, this is the MSNBC quote: "Rumsfeld did not describe the photos, but U.S. military officials told NBC News that the unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and “acting inappropriately with a dead body.” The officials said there was also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys." Which got pulled. I found this Telegraph story which repeats the same claim, Salon has the same and there are a few other newspapers on there including the Guardian not to mention endless blogs. All talk of a video and there seem to be two seperate original sources, it's looking like it's got some weight to it. Hell even Fox News has a story. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain Last edited by jaguar; 07-19-2004 at 09:30 AM.

07-19-2004, 11:24 AM	#15
Catwoman stalking a Tom Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: on the edge of the english channel Posts: 1,000	In what context would it be beneficial for someone (esp an American) to make this up? __________________ I've decided I'm not going to have a signature anymore.

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