Bush Tells Blacks, 'I'm Here to Ask for Your Vote'

richlevy · 07-25-2004, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jaguar

Well it's very existance is about a certain racial group, is that not racist?
Yes I'm playing devil's advocate

That would mean that any group tied to any ethnic group or sex would be racist or sexist by definition.

Working for the advancement of one specific group is not necessarily racist, it is when you work for the suppression of competing groups that you become racist/sexist.

lookout123 · 07-25-2004, 01:42 PM

ok then, let's think this one through. tomorrow, me and my white friends are going to launch a few new organizations. some will be businesses others will be activist groups. here are the names that they will be known by:

NAAWP - national assoc. for the advancement of white people
WET - white entertainment television
WSU - White student union ( gotta get the college campuses involved)
UCCF - united caucasian college fund
NOWLE - national organization of white law enforcement executives
WRAG - white retail action group
NAWA, Inc - national association of white accountants
NWCC - national white chamber of commerce
WITE - White information technology eprofessionals
WGSA - white graduate students association
NAWSE - national assoc of white school educators
CWCF, inc - congressional white caucus foundation
NACHR - national assoc of caucasion-americans in human resources
AWC - assoc of white charities

the list goes on and on. i believe that most of the organizationsi based this list on provide real value to the community, but what would you say if you saw one of my new organizations in the news? most would assume it has a racist agenda, and they would be right. i'm pretty sure that these organizations aren't based on creating a society where the color of one's skin is irrelevent. and if i remember correctly, that was one of the goals of the civil rights movement.

now please pardon me while i go find my flame resistant suit and a big-ass fire extinguisher.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-25-2004, 01:51 PM

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Working for the advancement of one specific group is not necessarily racist, it is when you work for the suppression of competing groups that you become racist/sexist.

But, if you pull strings, exert pressure and harass someone to hire your candidate, aren't you suppressing all the other candidates? And if you do it because your candidate is a particular sex or race, doesn't that make it sexist or racist? How and where do you draw the line between supporting yours and supressing theirs? I've wrestled with this for some time and have yet to find a satisfactory answer.

lookout123 · 07-25-2004, 01:57 PM

any organization that is designed on the premise of the exclusion of or the the advancement of one particular race is discriminatory and goes against the idea of genuine equality.

i would support the NAAAP - national association for the advancement of all people. but the NAA(fill-in-the-blank)P is just plain wrong.

all of these organizations build walls between people.

ladysycamore · 07-25-2004, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

any organization that is designed on the premise of the exclusion of or the the advancement of one particular race is discriminatory and goes against the idea of genuine equality.

So are you saying that even in the midst of blatent racism when many black orgs were created, that in the spirit of "genunine equality" that they should NOT have been created?

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i would support the NAAAP - national association for the advancement of all people. but the NAA(fill-in-the-blank)P is just plain wrong.

all of these organizations build walls between people.

And you want to get into the walls of these particular orgs that are currently helping non-whites..why lookout123? What are you going to contribute that these orgs will be able to use to advance their culture/ethnicity?

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WET - white entertainment television
WSU - White student union ( gotta get the college campuses involved)
UCCF - united caucasian college fund
NOWLE - national organization of white law enforcement executives
WRAG - white retail action group
NAWA, Inc - national association of white accountants
NWCC - national white chamber of commerce
WITE - White information technology eprofessionals
WGSA - white graduate students association
NAWSE - national assoc of white school educators
CWCF, inc - congressional white caucus foundation
NACHR - national assoc of caucasion-americans in human resources
AWC - assoc of white charities

Great gosh almighty, I had to laugh when I saw this...um, didn't you know? These groups have been in existance ALL ALONG, just not by those names!!

Kerry Tells Black Voters He Shares Their Hopes:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...t&section=news

lookout123 · 07-26-2004, 10:54 AM

Lsyc - please name a couple of organizations that are strictly for the advancement of the white man, and give specific examples of why it is designed to exclude others or hold them back.
the argument that everything is designed to advance the whiteman just doesn't hold water anymore.

ladysycamore · 07-26-2004, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

Lsyc - please name a couple of organizations that are strictly for the advancement of the white man, and give specific examples of why it is designed to exclude others or hold them back.
the argument that everything is designed to advance the whiteman just doesn't hold water anymore.

*shrugs* If you say so. That's your opinion though. I feel that the deck is still stacked against non-whites.

As far as orgs, I already named one...in fact you named it first on your list: the NAAWP. You can go to their website and see for yourself. Plus, you can easily do a Google search under "white supremacy groups" and see plenty of groups designed for the advancement of the white man and their mission statements.

Troubleshooter · 07-26-2004, 01:15 PM

*reaches for his asbestos blankey*

lookout123 · 07-26-2004, 01:15 PM

no i mean groups that are acceptable within the mainstream. not groups that most everyone writes off as being wackjobs. when you step up and cite white supremecy groups as existing for the advancement of white people it is just silly. most white people would gladly take a 2x4 to those repulsive fools.
i am asking you for organizations that have a measure of public acceptance that exist for the advancement of white people.

afterthought: are you saying that you think the real organizations my list was based on are as ridiculously fringe-oriented as the white supremecy groups you countered with?

07-25-2004, 01:42 PM	#2
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	ok then, let's think this one through. tomorrow, me and my white friends are going to launch a few new organizations. some will be businesses others will be activist groups. here are the names that they will be known by: NAAWP - national assoc. for the advancement of white people WET - white entertainment television WSU - White student union ( gotta get the college campuses involved) UCCF - united caucasian college fund NOWLE - national organization of white law enforcement executives WRAG - white retail action group NAWA, Inc - national association of white accountants NWCC - national white chamber of commerce WITE - White information technology eprofessionals WGSA - white graduate students association NAWSE - national assoc of white school educators CWCF, inc - congressional white caucus foundation NACHR - national assoc of caucasion-americans in human resources AWC - assoc of white charities the list goes on and on. i believe that most of the organizationsi based this list on provide real value to the community, but what would you say if you saw one of my new organizations in the news? most would assume it has a racist agenda, and they would be right. i'm pretty sure that these organizations aren't based on creating a society where the color of one's skin is irrelevent. and if i remember correctly, that was one of the goals of the civil rights movement. now please pardon me while i go find my flame resistant suit and a big-ass fire extinguisher. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin Last edited by lookout123; 07-25-2004 at 04:50 PM. Reason: afterthought

07-25-2004, 01:57 PM	#4
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	any organization that is designed on the premise of the exclusion of or the the advancement of one particular race is discriminatory and goes against the idea of genuine equality. i would support the NAAAP - national association for the advancement of all people. but the NAA(fill-in-the-blank)P is just plain wrong. all of these organizations build walls between people. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

07-26-2004, 10:54 AM	#6
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Lsyc - please name a couple of organizations that are strictly for the advancement of the white man, and give specific examples of why it is designed to exclude others or hold them back. the argument that everything is designed to advance the whiteman just doesn't hold water anymore. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

07-26-2004, 01:15 PM	#8
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	reaches for his asbestos blankey __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

07-26-2004, 01:15 PM	#9
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	no i mean groups that are acceptable within the mainstream. not groups that most everyone writes off as being wackjobs. when you step up and cite white supremecy groups as existing for the advancement of white people it is just silly. most white people would gladly take a 2x4 to those repulsive fools. i am asking you for organizations that have a measure of public acceptance that exist for the advancement of white people. afterthought: are you saying that you think the real organizations my list was based on are as ridiculously fringe-oriented as the white supremecy groups you countered with? __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

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