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View Poll Results: Who will you vote for in the upcoming election?
Still undecided 2 3.85%
Bush 12 23.08%
Kerry 28 53.85%
Other 8 15.38%
Why bother? I'm not going to vote. 2 3.85%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-16-2004, 12:01 PM   #1
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The poll should have Badnarik in it. Michael Badnarik is by far the best choice of every candidate running.
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Old 09-16-2004, 12:22 PM   #2
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Kerry's campaign managers have decided to not even spend the money on TV advertising in Colorado. This tells me that at least SOMEONE in his group has some common sense. Colorado is hardly a swing state and what few votes it has in the electoral college inevitably go to the republicans in presidential elections. I will vote in the upcoming election because I want to support my local democratic state representative who is facing a major battle with a wealthy republican candidate. I wouldn't vote for Bush in a million years, and I'm unhappy with Kerry. If I thought it mattered, I WOULD vote for Kerrry, however. Since it doesn't, I'll show my displeasure by writing in the name of someone on my presidential ballot - maybe Bill, The Cat of Bloom County fame.

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Old 09-16-2004, 06:28 PM   #3
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Maybe you don't think it will count but maybe if enough elections have disparity between the popular vote and the electoral college, something will get done about it.
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Old 09-17-2004, 08:51 AM   #4
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Maybe you don't think it will count but maybe if enough elections have disparity between the popular vote and the electoral college, something will get done about it.
Unfortunately, the disparity will always have just benefitted the ones in power, who will be less than enthusiastic about change.
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Old 09-17-2004, 09:31 AM   #5
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Has anyone ever stopped to consider what might happen if Bush gets re-elected? While he is certainly holding back at the moment on many decisions concerning our government, if he comes in for a 2nd term he'll have nothing to lose. And you thought that Patriot Act parts I and II were bad?

Truthfully, I really, strongly dislike Kerry. But there is no way I could conciously vote for a man who seems to have it in his head that American citizens need to have their rights taken away in order to lead a safe life. Bush's plans for our country are currently being held in check by the need to stay popular with as many people as possible in order to get elected a second time. After that, god only knows what he might do.

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Old 09-16-2004, 06:30 PM   #6
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Kerry's campaign managers have decided to not even spend the money on TV advertising in Colorado. This tells me that at least SOMEONE in his group has some common sense. Colorado is hardly a swing state and what few votes it has in the electoral college inevitably go to the republicans in presidential elections.
Actually the Economist has been doing a study of swing states, one by one, for months now. Colorado was listed as a swing state.

Pennsylvannia is listed as about as close as one can get. PA still uses punch hole ballots.
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Old 09-16-2004, 06:34 PM   #7
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It's not over 'til the fat lady sings...

The election is still 45+ days, 2 debates, and 400,000,000 tons of mudslinging away but the electoral count as of today is

Bush: 311
Kerry: 223

i guess bringing the Clinton team on didn't inspire that many people. i guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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Old 09-17-2004, 06:39 AM   #8
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The election is still 45+ days, 2 debates, and 400,000,000 tons of mudslinging away...
I'd like to see the candidates use these two debates to talk about issues that are important to ME. Up to now, neither Bush nor Kerry have really gone into depth about the issues that I really care about. I really don't care what kind of war record someone has. Military experience != ability to run a country. It would if the military controlled everything in the country but it doesn't. We (in theory) control the military. So Kerry has three Purple Hearts; kudos, but what does that have anything to do with how Kerry could, for example, fix the broken wagon that is healthcare here at home? And how does Bush's alleged National Guard experience make him someone who has a good idea how to manage the SS balloon that is very close to running out of air? My future as I see it has much less to do with what's going on on the other side of the world and much more to do with what's going on here in my backyard (especially since DC itself's a hefting stone's throw away from me). Much of the discussion has been about ultimately irrelevant points in Kerry's and Bush's personal histories and about bad-mouthing and belittling the other party and it's manner of thinking. Both sides need to come off that and talk about real issues.
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Old 09-16-2004, 06:47 PM   #9
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Actually the Economist has been doing a study of swing states, one by one, for months now. Colorado was listed as a swing state.

Pennsylvannia is listed as about as close as one can get. PA still uses punch hole ballots.
I'm glad to hear that Colorado is coming up in the world. I suppose this means that I'll have to follow the state polls and see if there's a snowball's chance in hell that the Republican stranglehold on the state is weakening. I am not overly optimistic about this, nor about the possibility of electoral college reform. The idea has been bandied about as long as I've been old enough to vote (i.e. a LONG time!) with no change thus far.
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Old 09-18-2004, 09:29 PM   #10
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Actually the Economist has been doing a study of swing states, one by one, for months now. Colorado was listed as a swing state.

Pennsylvannia is listed as about as close as one can get. PA still uses punch hole ballots.
What backwoods district are you voting in? We've had either the old style lever voting machines or the new electronic ones since the 80s.

Oh, there were a few elections I did use a punch-ballot in, but that was when I was in college, 81-83 (I switched my registration to my college address). My home district used machines.
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Old 09-18-2004, 09:54 PM   #11
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Speaking of electronic voting: I find it cute that you all argue like your vote is going to count.
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Old 09-18-2004, 11:01 PM   #12
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Speaking of electronic voting: I find it cute that you all argue like your vote is going to count.

Yeah, I know. I feel like a kid whistling in the dark to keep my spirits up. I'd like to believe that I live in a Democracy, but I really don't. We should just make Bush King George IV or V and be done with it.
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Old 09-17-2004, 06:03 AM   #13
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The poll should have Badnarik in it. Michael Badnarik is by far the best choice of every candidate running.
That's where I stand now. If Kerry were to step up on the war issues I could be convinced but as long as he maintains a traditional Dem pessimism campaign... Man I want Bush out.
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Old 09-17-2004, 11:57 AM   #14
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The poll should have Badnarik in it. Michael Badnarik is by far the best choice of every candidate running.
Exactly. What is it about personal freedom, free trade, and military discretion that you people don't like?
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Old 09-17-2004, 12:04 PM   #15
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Exactly. What is it about personal freedom, free trade, and military discretion that you people don't like?
Let's not even go there, O.K.?
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