Ashcroft and Evans call it quits

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

We do have that obligation, but we don't have the obligation to commit suicide to defend the principle.

I don't either. It's not "committing suicide" to provide POWs with food, shelter and freedom from physical and mental abuse. No matter how horrible we think these prisoners are, we don't need to sink to their level.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Perhaps I'm biased, too, in that I would kind of enjoy having a boyish woman point and laugh at my genitals while I stand there naked. If only we could cap it off with a drink and a laugh about it. "Hey, thumbs up, ha ha ha."

You're forgetting that these men were MUSLIMS. It may be humorous to us, but according to their religion and morality, nudity in front of strange women isn't real cool. it wasn't just fun and games on behalf of the people who did this to them--they knew how humiliating this was to these men. At least now some of them are paying the price for what they did.