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Old 12-15-2004, 11:33 AM   #1
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Both versions are true, and they form a vicious circle.
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Old 12-15-2004, 11:57 AM   #2
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Both versions are true, and they form a vicious circle.
No, they don't. Many so-called and usually self-appointed black leaders continue to remove the members of the black community from any share of responsibility for their condition. When you disembody the cause, you have precluded self-determinism. Therefore, these "leaders" create a dependency via advocacy ("I'll fill your needs since the white man will not permit you to fill them yourself") from which they derive benefit.

Real black leaders who do not subscribe to the idea that blacks are exempt from a share of the responsibility for their fate and preach self-determinism are castigated by the so-called black leaders and those members of the black community who benefit from a dependency upon them. There's your viscous circle.
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Old 12-15-2004, 12:16 PM   #3
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This is a complex problem. You can look at racism, labelling theory, welfare, affirmative action, etc. as aspects that contribute to the perpetuation of the apparent inability of blacks to better their position in society.

But ultimately they are all only factors that contribute to a tendency to decide whether or not to better their positions. The child of a working mother is going to have a better chance at betterment. The child of the working mother's child is going to stand a good chance at betterment if their parent was successful as well. It's a feedback loop of sorts, but until more blacks are willing to fight the factors and start the cycle things are only going to get worse as educational levels decline and racial ratios increase.
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Old 12-15-2004, 12:44 PM   #4
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I think the writer would be lambasted just for thinking such ideas, let alone writing them, if he's were white.

He's spot on about looking for excuses, seems the trend in todays society to dodge responsibility for one's actions. Blame it on the fact that your father smacked your ass one time when you were a kid or whatever, anything but the fact that you, as an individual, commited the crime.
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