Bush and Religion

[wolf]

I'm sure he's praying for them.

You too, tw.

[lookout123]

wow, tw is so flustered by the measly $35million that he had to post the same thing in, what 4 threads?

[tw]

Originally Posted by lookout123

wow, tw is so flustered by the measly $35million that he had to post the same thing in, what 4 threads?

Reality must be posted multiple times so that religious extremist might notice something that was not decreed from the Aposotle George Jr. You do worship god's chosen apostle George Jr - right? We must remind Lookout123 that earthquakes do hurt people. My mistake. George Jr finally decreed that today. Now Lookout123 understands a disaster happened about the Bay of Bengal.

Lookout123, when are you going to post something that is not an insult. Oh. I forgot. You are a religious extremist. Everyone else is only a heathen. The bible told you to insult heathens.

[lookout123]

[quote=tw]We must remind Lookout123 that earthquakes do hurt people. My mistake. QUOTE]

i'm well aware of that. my sister was in phuket, remember?

Lookout123, when are you going to post something that is not an insult

what exactly insulted you so much?

You are a religious extremist.

this looks more like an insult than what i wrote, but that is ok when considering the source. (yes, my last statement may be classified as a mild insult.)

[tw]

Originally Posted by lookout123

what exactly insulted you so much?

Lookout123 - every post from you has been no information with plenty of insults. I could care about your sister except that you now post only like an anti-Ameican religious extremist. IOW you insult and demean anyone who is not a member of your righteous club.

In no way did I post anything political. I posted straight facts. Facts like we can give Israel $billions. That is more aid that we provide to all Africa. And now we offer a paltry $35 million dollars in emergeny aid? Numeric facts about our government that should embarrass every American.

This in a region where almost as many Americans may have died as in the WTC. That is staight fact. Provided are pictures that an "I want to know" George Jr would have seen on Sunday. These are straight facts.

The mental midget president again failed to make a decision for days. Again it took him five days and public conmendation before he would even acknowledge the scope of what had happened. The press understood the seriousness long before the president would finally concede to reality. Those are facts.

A responsible George Jr would have the USS Kitty Hawk already on station to provide immediately assistance to - at minimum Americans and other NATO allies. Instead he just sat on his righteous ass and made no decisions. That is fact.

You don't like it. Then put up facts to the contrary and stop your silly insults. Insults that I would expect only from the righteous. Grow up. Be a man rather than a religious extremist. If you like George Jr's response, then provide facts why we don't have fleets of planes and ships to, at minumum, extract thousands of Americans immediately - while delivering Red Cross, Unicef, et al supplies.

What are they desperate for in that region? Armies of humans to distribut the aid. Who has the biggest armies? The nation that cannot find any more than $35 million, 6 C-130s, and some survelliance planes.

We are talking about a George Jr who even denied looting in Iraq. Is that a political statment. Only to the righteous or emotional. The fact is George Jr is slow to acknowledge anything he is not ready to understand. This president waited to have America embarrassed before he would even acknowledge the scope of this disaster. That is a fact. Leaders would never do that. Where is there anything moral about this president?

[lookout123]

ok tw, don't get your panties in a bunch. i've asked it and you still haven't answered, really. What would you have done? when would you have done it? where would you have sent it? who would have done it? how much money should have been in the US gov'ts initial pledge? and also why would we do what you would suggest?

give me something to sway me to your viewpoint. something substantial that doesn't consist of "george, jr bad, mental midget dumb" don't you get it? i don't care who the devil the president is, if you are going to rip him up for his mistakes, give me a reasonable, alternate course of action that should have been followed based on information available at the time.

my sister was there, i was worried about her, but at no point in time did i think to myself that the US government should rush ships or planes there to help her and other americans. she(they) chose to go there, something completely unexpected happened and now it is time to sort through the aftermath. like all critical incidents it is a process to be worked through, not a set of events easily choreographed as in a movie.

edit: and BTW, would all cellarites that i regularly insult please raise your hands? *scans the room* garnet - put your nonmeat eating hand down, you don't count. TW, i've read more condescending, insulting posts from you than i am capable of composing, so give me a break on the whole "i don't listen to lookout 'cuz he insults everyone" bit. you are highly intelligent and an excellent researcher. i would enjoy going back and forth with you more if you would realize that your views are exactly that - views. you don't have the monopoly on The Truth. answer questions when they are asked of you. i disagree with your conclusions many times, but you don't have to view that as an affront to your manhood. we should be able to discuss issues without standing on our chairs and beating our chests or peeing on the other cellarite's shoes. debates are an exchange of ideas, not a statement of fact followed by clubbing anyone who questions us, like a baby seal.

[tw]

Originally Posted by lookout123

ok tw, don't get your panties in a bunch. i've asked it and you still haven't answered, really. What would you have done? when would you have done it? where would you have sent it? who would have done it? how much money should have been in the US gov'ts initial pledge? and also they why would we do what you would suggest?

You saw those satellite photographs. Even Indonesia was desperate to learn what had happened to its western provinces and to its own troops. And yet America had those facts. You saw the pictures.

A real leader would have been on the air Sunday (or at latest Monday) declaring this a major world disaster requiring American and 1st world leadership. In the meantime it takes days to load and transist ships. The military trains to 'surge' for unexpected events. This was a 'surge' mission. Those ships should have been leaving port Sunday - Monday night at latest to be in the Indian Ocean for any and every nation that requests help. Those ships would already be there now. Countries all desperately requested help from anyone who was available. The NGOs got there - maybe even available before requests had been made for help. But instead George Jr left America unavailable even to help thousands of American citizens.

When does a leader get up before the nation and say we have a serious problem in the Indian Ocean? When does he - at minimum - go to the rescue of thousands of American citizens. A leader leads the nation in its response. This president waited to have America internationally humiliated before he even acknowledged the disaster - and only then decided to send help. What about those American citizens? Did we lose 2,000 Americans? How many are still waiting for help - while a president waits to be invited.

American help was not requested? Bull. Area nations - especially Indonesia - were desperate to find anyone who could tell them what had happened to their western proviences. India was even putting assistance into other nations - who apparently never asked for help? Bull. The island nations such as the Maldives could not even request help. They had been completely cut off - and were that desperate for outside help. And so we just sit here and pretend they did not ask? What kind of leadership is that? Mythical.

To provide help when it was needed, America had to get its first responders moving the next day. People on scene to organize any help. Instead the best we had to offer was $35 million, 6 C-130s (some say 12), and some P3 survelliance planes. Paltry response directly traceable to a president who did not lead. A president who had the facts available and instead did nothing.

You saw those satellite photos. You tell me the president would not have known or at least suspected the size and scope of this disaster. His technical people most certainly knew immediately. The disaster is so obvious that even New York Times satellite pictures make it obvious. George Jr had to be in denial. No other logic can explain his 'non response'.

The only way George Jr could not have known is if he was using the same reasoning that said, "No looting exists in Iraq." That is not leadership. That is ostrich denial. That is embarrassing. No wonder the US was internationally humiliated before George Jr finally acted. Today George Jr finally conceded the scope and seriousness of this disaster. What kind of leadership is that? Five days later, he finally conceded to the obvious. You tell me. Where is the leadership?

What would anyone have done - especially with those pictures in hand? Act like a leader. Get on the phone. Tell Indonesia why they could not contact their western proviences. Offer immediate assistance. Offer immediate transport to the NGOs who had already responded. IOW act like a leader. Acknowledge reality in those satellite photos. Don't do nothing. Do something. Lead before a world community finally shamed America into action. Unfortunately that is what it took to get George Jr off his ass.

So what would you have done? Act like the ostrich George Jr waiting for a written invite before putting emergency response to sea? Or would you have acted to obvious and deperate conditions to at least protect American and NATO lives? If you acted to be in position to protect Americans, then you did far more than George Jr.

No Lookout123. You only insulted me because I am the one who exposed the mental midget president's non-response. After waiting 5 days for him to act and after seeing those satellite photos, I now know this president deserved the international humiliation. You tell me this president was right to let people die before he started anyone moving. You saw those satellite photos. Go ahead and tell me he should have done nothing. Where does it say in the bible that a moral man does nothing to help his neighbor.

Do you wait for your neighbor to invite you to help save his burning house? Or do you go down the street to see if you can be of assistance? What would a moral man do?