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Old 02-03-2005, 07:22 PM   #11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by russotto
Nowhere in the study does it say that the mortality counts they measured was limited to civilians. In fact, they explicitly say it was not:

"Many of the Iraqis reportedly killed by US forces could
have been combatants. 28 of 61 killings (46%) attributed
to US forces involved men age 15–60 years, 28 (46%)
were children younger than 15 years, four (7%) were
women, and one was an elderly man. It is not clear if the
greater number of male deaths was attributable to
legitimate targeting of combatants who may have been
disproportionately male, or if this was because men are
more often in public and more likely to be exposed to
danger. For example, seven of 12 (58%) vehicle accident related
fatalities involved men between 15 and 60 years"

No, once again, trying reading the words you yourself have quoted. "Could have been" is not the phrasing one would use to state "explicitly" that these were combatant deaths. In fact, the studied only counted the deaths of those who had resided at home for two months or longer prior to their death. Look at what your quoted segment goes on to say: 46% were children younger than 15 years.

The researchers are actually making the point as politely as possible that the claim that these might be combatant deaths is a dubious one. Look at the very next paragraphs after that quote:

Quote:
US General Tommy Franks is widely quoted as saying
“we don’t do body counts”.14 The Geneva Conventions
have clear guidance about the responsibilities of
occupying armies to the civilian population they control.
The fact that more than half the deaths reportedly
caused by the occupying forces were women and
children is cause for concern. In particular, Convention
IV, Article 27 states that protected persons “. . . shall be
at all times humanely treated, and shall be protected
especially against acts of violence . . .”. It seems difficult
to understand how a military force could monitor the
extent to which civilians are protected against violence
without systematically doing body counts or at least
looking at the kinds of casualties they induce. This
survey shows that with modest funds, 4 weeks, and
seven Iraqi team members willing to risk their lives, a
useful measure of civilian deaths could be obtained.
There seems to be little excuse for occupying forces to
not be able to provide more precise tallies. In view of the
political importance of this conflict, these results should
be confirmed by an independent body such as the
ICRC, Epicentre, or WHO. In the interim, civility and
enlightened self-interest demand a re-evaluation of the
consequences of weaponry now used by coalition forces
in populated areas
.
Just why is General Franks leaving the US open to international criticism in this regard? What is he attempting to hide? Could it be 100,000 dead bodies?
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