God and Devil

jaguar · 03-01-2005, 01:28 PM

No. That's the point. You don't have any figures. You're making up stuff that fits your very specific worldview. Period. There is absolutely zero evidence that people of faith help other people more or less than atheists. Nada. Null. Zip. Zero. That's the point. I don't think it's rare at all, most of the people I know that have done work in some truly horrible hellholes are very certain that god clearly has taken one serious hiatus or must utterly love suffering.

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And why do you think that is?

I'll post your a friend's anthropology dissertation if you want. People used to think storms were when the gods were angry too. Religion evaporates as society progresses.

Beestie · 03-01-2005, 01:42 PM

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Religion evaporates as society progresses.

I would say that ignorance evaporates as society progresses. Ignorance being that which can be disproven. And I think most would agree that disentangling ignorance from religion can only be good.

I'll disagree in advance with any assertion (not aimed at any single poster) that religion = ignorance.

Troubleshooter · 03-01-2005, 02:07 PM

Religion is a symptom of ignorance*.

*It's a symptom of schizophrenia as well, but we'll save that one for another thread.

lookout123 · 03-01-2005, 02:14 PM

ok, TS - that sounds very pseudo-intellectual. let me make sure i understand the logic trail here. you find no value in faith because it has never been made clear to you. i'm ok with that so far. but then you make the leap that only the ignorant can have a religious faith? tell me how this works.

Troubleshooter · 03-01-2005, 02:21 PM

Religion in the context I stated is simply a psychological structure (ideology) upon which inexplicable events are given rationale.

The issue I was not addressing:

Faith is the belief that something will, or will not, has or has not occured because of a given (revelatory) premise.

Beestie · 03-01-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Religion is a symptom of ignorance*.

Boy, Confucius better keep his day job.

Oh, and thanks for bolding the important part. I was really scratchin' my head till I saw the bold part.

Troubleshooter · 03-01-2005, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

Boy, Confucius better keep his day job.

Oh, and thanks for bolding the important part. I was really scratchin' my head till I saw the bold part.

I'm sensing sarcasm may be near, I better be wary...

03-01-2005, 02:07 PM	#3
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Religion is a symptom of ignorance. It's a symptom of schizophrenia as well, but we'll save that one for another thread. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	ok, TS - that sounds very pseudo-intellectual. let me make sure i understand the logic trail here. you find no value in faith because it has never been made clear to you. i'm ok with that so far. but then you make the leap that only the ignorant can have a religious faith? tell me how this works. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-01-2005, 02:21 PM	#5
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Religion in the context I stated is simply a psychological structure (ideology) upon which inexplicable events are given rationale. The issue I was not addressing: Faith is the belief that something will, or will not, has or has not occured because of a given (revelatory) premise. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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