What if I've been wrong about W?

hot_pastrami · 03-02-2005, 12:17 AM

I saw an article recently which posed the question "What if Bush has been right about Iraq all along?" It's a nice little piece by a "skeptic" which suggests that perhaps Bush's ends (a vote in Iraq) justifies his means (an unprovoked, unjustified attack on a sovereign nation which posed no threat to us, nor was it even close to being the worst human rights offender). I found that particular brand of tripe to be unswallowable.

There is much evidence that voter turnout was due to coersion. The country is far from safe, and thousands of men, women and children have died. That's to say nothing of the castration of our civil liberties here at home, the prisoners tortured and imprisoned indefinitely without trial...

If you had a low opinion of W, I'd say you weren't wrong. He earned it. I am absolutely not suggesting that nothing good has come of this war, but the bufoonery of the execution has made the price far dearer than it needed to be.

Griff · 03-02-2005, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by hot_pastrami

If you had a low opinion of W, I'd say you weren't wrong. He earned it. I am absolutely not suggesting that nothing good has come of this war, but the bufoonery of the execution has made the price far dearer than it needed to be.

I was in the nothing camp. Now at least something may come of it.

Yowza doesn't even touch that.

You'd best be very careful, Jimbo.

lumberjim · 03-02-2005, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

You'd best be very careful, Jimbo.

I'm sorry, the response we were looking for was "fuck you, lumberdave."

You still qualify for the lightning round, though, so stay tuned and we'll be back after these important messages.

iamthewalrus109 · 03-02-2005, 10:28 AM

As proven by the experience of the French Revolution, the Weimar Republic, and the short lived Constitutional monarchy in Russia in 1916-7, sometimes a shaky neophyte democratic government can lead to complete disaster and genocide. One has to remember that a true democracy can only survive in an economic and political climate that allows it. As seen with the French in 1789/80 what appeared to be bloodless, resulted in the executions of hundreds of people and the Napoleaonic wars. So it is to be seen what happens to these "democracies". Wait in the wings well prepared for the worst.

-Walrus

lookout123 · 03-02-2005, 11:58 AM

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sometimes a shaky neophyte democratic government can lead to complete disaster and genocide.

we can only keeper our fingers crossed and hope, right walrus?

iamthewalrus109 · 03-02-2005, 12:26 PM

True 123 we can hope, but definately don't count on GW Bush just crossing his fingers. If he and his buddies do anything, they'll be putting their fingers all over these events.

-Walrus

03-02-2005, 12:17 AM	#1
hot_pastrami I am meaty Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,119	I saw an article recently which posed the question "What if Bush has been right about Iraq all along?" It's a nice little piece by a "skeptic" which suggests that perhaps Bush's ends (a vote in Iraq) justifies his means (an unprovoked, unjustified attack on a sovereign nation which posed no threat to us, nor was it even close to being the worst human rights offender). I found that particular brand of tripe to be unswallowable. There is much evidence that voter turnout was due to coersion. The country is far from safe, and thousands of men, women and children have died. That's to say nothing of the castration of our civil liberties here at home, the prisoners tortured and imprisoned indefinitely without trial... If you had a low opinion of W, I'd say you weren't wrong. He earned it. I am absolutely not suggesting that nothing good has come of this war, but the bufoonery of the execution has made the price far dearer than it needed to be. __________________ Hot Pastrami! Last edited by hot_pastrami; 03-02-2005 at 12:19 AM. Reason: fixed typo

03-02-2005, 10:28 AM	#4
iamthewalrus109 High Propagandist Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 111	The possibility of chaos always exists As proven by the experience of the French Revolution, the Weimar Republic, and the short lived Constitutional monarchy in Russia in 1916-7, sometimes a shaky neophyte democratic government can lead to complete disaster and genocide. One has to remember that a true democracy can only survive in an economic and political climate that allows it. As seen with the French in 1789/80 what appeared to be bloodless, resulted in the executions of hundreds of people and the Napoleaonic wars. So it is to be seen what happens to these "democracies". Wait in the wings well prepared for the worst. -Walrus

03-02-2005, 12:26 PM	#6
iamthewalrus109 High Propagandist Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 111	We can hope True 123 we can hope, but definately don't count on GW Bush just crossing his fingers. If he and his buddies do anything, they'll be putting their fingers all over these events. -Walrus

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