Yes, the banning of the juvenile death penalty was...

[jaguar]

we, as a culture, cannot agree upon the definition, let alone the vehicle for justice.

But we have, that's why we have the penalty system we do inside the criminal justice system we do, no?

I think the thing with the death penalty timelag is that old chesnut I was attempting to bring up with noodle is what if the courts were wrong. Sure, you might've still lost 20 years of your life but you're still alive and haven't been castrated with a hot iron or whatever noodle thinks is appropriate. I don't think prison works either way but at least there is hope if you're wrongly convicted.