Howard Dean talks straight

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Well, Warch, what are we to make of Islamoterrorism's close relationship with Islamotyrannies -- and of certain Americans' reluctance to raise the sword against tyrannies? Sounds to me like the damned dorks want us to lose -- to the likes of Osama?! Where are their heads?!

I'm a Libertarian; tyrannies must go. Whether with blood spilled neck deep or not at all, tyrannies must go if you want a good world.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I'm a Libertarian; tyrannies must go. Whether with blood spilled neck deep or not at all, tyrannies must go if you want a good world.

No, you are a liberventionist, someone who doesn't trust people in other countries to sort out their own messes.

Bush has provided the first step in driving a somewhat secular country into the arms of islamic tyranny. Your position gives aid and comfort to the enemies of freedom.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Griff

No, you are a liberventionist, someone who doesn't trust people in other countries to sort out their own messes.

It's not that I don't trust them. It's that I recognize the value of military effort by the free peoples in removing the obstacles presented by anti-libertarian states. This can be very difficult to achieve by internal rebellion only. Indeed, it is usually not the case that these succeed. It was certainly not the case with the Revolutionary War.

You, Griff, have either told me at least one lie in that post, or you suffer from muddy thinking. You can do better.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

You, Griff, have either told me at least one lie in that post, or you suffer from muddy thinking. You can do better.

No, I can't. We agree on a lot but not this one.