India and nuclear power

Beestie · 03-02-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

...providing nuclear power to India will help big business, and hurt the average American.

I'm not sure how keeping the third world barefoot and pregnant helps the average American.

Maybe if India's economy blossoms as a result of cheaper energy then the average Indian will buy more American stuff which will help big business and allow for the creation of more jobs for average Americans. And, perhaps, a warm relationship with India will pay dividends when a full 16 percent of the world's population considers America a friend.

And if India's conversion to nuclear energy serves to decrease their demand on Arab oil then the cost of that oil will drop which will benefit the average American.

IMHO, keeping other countries from developing should not be a premise of our foreign policy. We tried that with Iran (who asked us to help them develop a nuclear program back in the 70s) and when the US refused to help they turned to Russia. We are still suffering the consequences of that poor decision by then President Carter.

I applaud the move and can think of no downside to helping India move forward with their ambitions.

Griff · 03-02-2006, 12:50 PM

If global warming isn't complete nonsense and the mid-east political situation does not improve dramatically nuclear prolly has to be part of the mix.

Spexxvet · 03-02-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

I'm not sure how keeping the third world barefoot and pregnant helps the average American.

Maybe if India's economy blossoms as a result of cheaper energy then the average Indian will buy more American stuff which will help big business and allow for the creation of more jobs for average Americans. And, perhaps, a warm relationship with India will pay dividends when a full 16 percent of the world's population considers America a friend.

And if India's conversion to nuclear energy serves to decrease their demand on Arab oil then the cost of that oil will drop which will benefit the average American.

IMHO, keeping other countries from developing should not be a premise of our foreign policy. We tried that with Iran (who asked us to help them develop a nuclear program back in the 70s) and when the US refused to help they turned to Russia. We are still suffering the consequences of that poor decision by then President Carter.

I applaud the move and can think of no downside to helping India move forward with their ambitions.

This isn't a black/white issue. Of course there will be some indirect benefits to average Americans (though India buying more American stuff isn't one of them - after all, we really don't produce stuff here anymore, do we?). I don't have anything against helping India, per se. I just see American jobs being shipped overseas, and can't help thinking that this policy will speed the rate.

tw · 03-02-2006, 05:53 PM

The problem with George Jr's deal was posted here at least one month ago. We have (had) numerous treaties with the world that established world security. These included the anti-ballistic missile treaty, the nuclear test ban treaty, and fundamental human rights. All treaties that George Jr has or want to eliminate.

The reason why a world wide non-proliferation treaty works is because non-signers are denied materials and cooperation from all other nations.

So what does the mental midget president do? He could bring India into the non-proliferation treaty. That would mean India then gets access to nuclear materials, nuclear support products, and nuclear technology. Instead George Jr gives India that - without signing the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. In one shot, George Jr simply guts another international treaty. Even worse, a mental midget does not understand how destructive that deal is.

Here is where we discover if Democrats have any balls and brains. This treaty requires Senate approval. Why? The treaty with India violates US laws that were written to protect a world wide nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Smart Democrats – and there is a shortage of them - would see this as another international treaty gutted by a mental midget president to create world instability.

India has another problem. Their military nuclear program is intertwined with their commercial program. Unacceptable in all other nations. This cannot be permitted to any nation that conforms to principles of that nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Just another point that created world instability.

It sound like George Jr will now do anything to look good – screw the world’s future for his greater glory.

I am appalled. So many did not see why this George Jr agreement is world wide destructive. His contempt for what made America great is galling. But then notice how many Americans even here did not see another George Jr fubar. This is simply another example of aluminum tubes. Yes that sentence should raise your eyebrow. This author was almost the only one here who saw the aluminum tubes nonsense for what it was.

George Jr is advocating the gutting of a nuclear non-proliferation treaty. He may even be putting America in direct violation of that treaty that America signed. Everyone here should have seen this, if for no other reason, because George Jr thinks his India deal is good. He has an opinion. Did he even read the deal before he signed it? It's not an idle question.

03-02-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

Maybe if India's economy blossoms as a result of cheaper energy then the average Indian will buy more American stuff which will help big business and allow for the creation of more jobs for average Americans. And, perhaps, a warm relationship with India will pay dividends when a full 16 percent of the world's population considers America a friend.

Well, 16% is better than nothing, I guess. BTW, what American stuff are our new Indian friends going to buy? Textiles? Electronics? Steel? Programming code? Inquiring minds want to know.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-02-2006, 08:03 PM

France has done well with nukes for 30 years.

Beestie · 03-02-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

Well, 16% is better than nothing, I guess. BTW, what American stuff are our new Indian friends going to buy? Textiles? Electronics? Steel? Programming code? Inquiring minds want to know.

India imports more from the United States than from any other country. That has been the case for a very long time.

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India imports [from the United States] sophisticated machinery (computers and components, gas turbines, telecom, etc), Electrical machinery (recording/sound media), Medical and surgical equipment/instruments, Aircraft, spacecraft (small aircraft), Precious stones, metals (diamonds, not mounted or set), jewellery, Organic chemicals, Plastic, Cotton and cotton waste and Wood pulp, etc.

03-02-2006, 10:04 PM

That's nice. According to the US Census Bureau Our trade balance with India stood at negative 10,849.5 million in 2005. I presume the additional nuclear prowness they'll have will mean they'll be be buying a lot more cotton waste from us in the future to help narrow that trade deficit?

Beestie · 03-02-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

[An irrelevant point followed by an incoherent question followed by an emoticon]

You lost me at Post Reply.

03-02-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

You lost me at Post Reply.

That's OK, kid. I realize that you are product of today's public education system. Its not your fault.

Beestie · 03-02-2006, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

Its not your fault.

You're right. And I can't think of anyone more qualified than you to give me some pointers on who to blame.

03-02-2006, 12:50 PM	#2
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	If global warming isn't complete nonsense and the mid-east political situation does not improve dramatically nuclear prolly has to be part of the mix. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-02-2006, 08:03 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	France has done well with nukes for 30 years. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-02-2006, 05:53 PM	#4
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	The problem with George Jr's deal was posted here at least one month ago. We have (had) numerous treaties with the world that established world security. These included the anti-ballistic missile treaty, the nuclear test ban treaty, and fundamental human rights. All treaties that George Jr has or want to eliminate. The reason why a world wide non-proliferation treaty works is because non-signers are denied materials and cooperation from all other nations. So what does the mental midget president do? He could bring India into the non-proliferation treaty. That would mean India then gets access to nuclear materials, nuclear support products, and nuclear technology. Instead George Jr gives India that - without signing the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. In one shot, George Jr simply guts another international treaty. Even worse, a mental midget does not understand how destructive that deal is. Here is where we discover if Democrats have any balls and brains. This treaty requires Senate approval. Why? The treaty with India violates US laws that were written to protect a world wide nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Smart Democrats – and there is a shortage of them - would see this as another international treaty gutted by a mental midget president to create world instability. India has another problem. Their military nuclear program is intertwined with their commercial program. Unacceptable in all other nations. This cannot be permitted to any nation that conforms to principles of that nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Just another point that created world instability. It sound like George Jr will now do anything to look good – screw the world’s future for his greater glory. I am appalled. So many did not see why this George Jr agreement is world wide destructive. His contempt for what made America great is galling. But then notice how many Americans even here did not see another George Jr fubar. This is simply another example of aluminum tubes. Yes that sentence should raise your eyebrow. This author was almost the only one here who saw the aluminum tubes nonsense for what it was. George Jr is advocating the gutting of a nuclear non-proliferation treaty. He may even be putting America in direct violation of that treaty that America signed. Everyone here should have seen this, if for no other reason, because George Jr thinks his India deal is good. He has an opinion. Did he even read the deal before he signed it? It's not an idle question.

03-02-2006, 10:04 PM	#8
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	That's nice. According to the US Census Bureau Our trade balance with India stood at negative 10,849.5 million in 2005. I presume the additional nuclear prowness they'll have will mean they'll be be buying a lot more cotton waste from us in the future to help narrow that trade deficit?

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