The slippery slope - Page 5

xoxoxoBruce · 07-07-2006, 09:16 PM

I remember reading some time ago, some state probably CA, passed a law you couldn't smoke in your own house in you had a contractor/repairman/employee working there. Anybody heard of that?

07-07-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

In some towns, there is no other restaurant. They all condone smoking. The other restaurant means going to NY or NJ.

Meanwhile, I believe everyone agrees with this: right of anyone to do what they want on their own private property. Not to be confused with a privately owned public establishment.

"Privately owned public establishment"? LOL!!!

Happy Monkey · 07-07-2006, 10:33 PM

Not that funny. They're all over the place. Often called stores, restauraunts, malls, etc.

07-10-2006, 02:14 PM

Which are private property, the owners invite the public to come and buy their products & services. It is not owned by the public in any way. The public comes or does not come at their will, they are not required to in any way.

The next step has begun. Those who think they are entitled to have all think and behave as they do step-it-up even to the point of making-up science.

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Kitsune · 07-10-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Which are private property, the owners invite the public to come and buy their products & services. It is not owned by the public in any way. The public comes or does not come at their will, they are not required to in any way.

I'm not certain this matters much, anyway, as the issue of smoking in private businesses could be simply rolled in under public health code, which is where I think such laws would reside, anyway.

07-10-2006, 02:35 PM

Sure, OSHA air quality applies... as long as the air quality and ventilation allows for it, I don't see what the issue is.

Happy Monkey · 07-10-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Sure, OSHA air quality applies...

And any other air quality laws that happen to be passed, such as anti-smoking laws.

07-10-2006, 02:43 PM

Wrong, OSHA enforces EPA standards for associates health, levels that are deemed unsafe for prolonged exposure. If you excluded all carcinogens that would include closing all kitchens, paint stores, nail salons, grills and any other business that puts anything into the air. It is about the associates, not the public.

Happy Monkey · 07-10-2006, 02:47 PM

That's why they're separate laws. But both laws apply.

07-10-2006, 02:55 PM

The law imposing the publics wishes upon privates property owner's rights should not, however.

Happy Monkey · 07-10-2006, 03:26 PM

They both do.

07-10-2006, 03:46 PM

Nope, one is about regulating the environment of workers. The other is just fascist individuals who want to force others to be like them.
The two have nothing to do with each other.
Because with proper ventilation people smoking in an establishment are well within OSHA standards. Always have been.

Happy Monkey · 07-10-2006, 03:56 PM

One regulates the environment of workers, one regulates the environment of customers (and workers). Both impose a public interest onto private property.

07-10-2006, 04:25 PM

So the public needs different air standards? Be specific on what you mean by that and how you come to this conclusion.

Happy Monkey · 07-10-2006, 04:40 PM

No, the employees can't smoke either.

07-07-2006, 09:16 PM	#61
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I remember reading some time ago, some state probably CA, passed a law you couldn't smoke in your own house in you had a contractor/repairman/employee working there. Anybody heard of that? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-07-2006, 10:33 PM	#63
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Not that funny. They're all over the place. Often called stores, restauraunts, malls, etc. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-10-2006, 02:47 PM	#69
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	That's why they're separate laws. But both laws apply. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-10-2006, 03:26 PM	#71
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	They both do. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-10-2006, 03:56 PM	#73
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	One regulates the environment of workers, one regulates the environment of customers (and workers). Both impose a public interest onto private property. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-10-2006, 02:14 PM	#64
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Which are private property, the owners invite the public to come and buy their products & services. It is not owned by the public in any way. The public comes or does not come at their will, they are not required to in any way. The next step has begun. Those who think they are entitled to have all think and behave as they do step-it-up even to the point of making-up science. Trans Fat Lawsuit Against KFC Based on Thin ScienceTrans Fat Lawsuit Against KFC Based on Thin Science

07-10-2006, 02:35 PM	#66
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Sure, OSHA air quality applies... as long as the air quality and ventilation allows for it, I don't see what the issue is.

07-10-2006, 02:43 PM	#68
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Wrong, OSHA enforces EPA standards for associates health, levels that are deemed unsafe for prolonged exposure. If you excluded all carcinogens that would include closing all kitchens, paint stores, nail salons, grills and any other business that puts anything into the air. It is about the associates, not the public.

07-10-2006, 02:55 PM	#70
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	The law imposing the publics wishes upon privates property owner's rights should not, however.

07-10-2006, 03:46 PM	#72
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Nope, one is about regulating the environment of workers. The other is just fascist individuals who want to force others to be like them. The two have nothing to do with each other. Because with proper ventilation people smoking in an establishment are well within OSHA standards. Always have been.

07-10-2006, 04:25 PM	#74
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	So the public needs different air standards? Be specific on what you mean by that and how you come to this conclusion.

07-10-2006, 04:40 PM	#75
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	No, the employees can't smoke either. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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