Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone

[Undertoad]

The first thing one does in war, especially a war with Arabs, is to cut the command and control lines, so that the people in the field can't get good orders from their leaders. Thus, the airports and communications facilities.

The second thing one does is to cut supply lines so that the people in the field can't be resupplied. Thus, the bridges and roads to Syria.



From Wikipedia. Areas you have specified as not containing Hezbollah are actually pwned and operated by them.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The first thing one does in war, especially a war with Arabs, is to cut the command and control lines, so that the people in the field can't get good orders from their leaders. Thus, the airports and communications facilities.

And then we look at UT's map. The attacked targets are not even Hezbollah command and control areas. Again, he completely ignored Tripoli that is about as far from Hezbollah as one can get in Lebanon. The Economist lists Tripoli as attacked somewhere between 16 and 30 times.

Again, and that was so obvious. The Beirut airport had nothing to do with Hezbollah. But it was the crown jewel of the Lebanese people - having been built as a trophy to the end of their civil war.

Why would Israel attack Beirut Airport? Apparently Olmert's government actually thought if they attacked Beirut, then the Lebanon army would somehow disarm the only miltia with a history of expelling Israel from Lebanon.

Don't forget why Israel left Lebanon: Hezbollah. Israel is the reason Hezbollah was created. Hezbollah is in south Lebanon because that is where Lebanon's enemy is.

So instead Israel attacks cities where Hezbollah is not: Sidon, Tyre, Beirut, Tripoli, Halba, Hermel, and so many cities far north of Beirut and without any Hezbollah. Again, UT calls this justified - and yet claims to be a friend of Lebanon?

[9th Engineer]

Look at the targets they are hitting. Any large airport in Lebanon is a stratigic target, as well as seaports and industrial cities. With these targets there doesn't have to be Hezbollah in the building, if it weakens them by denying them weapons, food, or orders it's a legitimate target.
The only way I can see this ending for any length of time is the complete disarmament of Hezbolla and the reinstation of Lebanons official army.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Look at the targets they are hitting. Any large airport in Lebanon is a stratigic target, as well as seaports and industrial cities.

These are strategic Lebanese targets. By attacking them, supplies to the entire population are cut off. This is known as collective punishment. We tried it in Iraq in order to get the Iraqis to overthrow Saddam. It didn't work.

[tw]

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Look at the targets they are hitting. Any large airport in Lebanon is a stratigic target, as well as seaports and industrial cities. With these targets there doesn't have to be Hezbollah in the building, if it weakens them by denying them weapons, food, or orders it's a legitimate target.

Now you have justified the illegal invasion of Cambodia, Laos, the Gulf of Tonkin, etc. For that matter why not attack Turkey, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia since that also are sources of Hezbollah support.

Meanwhile, TW instead wants honesty and facts. So much so that if anything posted emotionally bothers anyone (Brianna), well grow up. Since so many are openly lying - more egregiously then when hyping lies about WMDs - instead we have facts with supporting documentation:

Let's look at the map that UT posted. Listed is a province not in Hezbollah control (according to UT) and at least one city in that province attacked by Israel - as best I can tell using maps, news reports, etc. In most every case, the number of attacks are far more numerous; especially in provinces listed with two or more towns:
Akkar: El Aabboudieh, Aandaqt, Halba

The Hindu
Jets struck before dawn a bridge near the northern town of Halba in the remote Akkar region

Tripoli: Tripoli, El Beddaoui

Israeli Bridge Attack Kills Eleven In Lebanon
A third attack fell on a village some 12.43 miles northeast of the northern city of Tripoli, reports The Australian.

Bartroun: Al Batrun, Selaata
Aley: Ain Zhalta, Damour
Chouf: Chehim, Jiyeh

Israel's Outrageous Attacks
Israel has killed Christians, Sunnis and Shiites, old and young, men and women, from the great Phoenician cities of Sidon and Tyre to more humble towns — Chtoura and Juniyah, Damour and Naame, Jiye and Baalbek, Khiam and Batrun.
It has wrecked roads, bridges, a lighthouse, ports, tunnels, electrical pylons, water mains, fuel depots, gas stations, power plants, houses, shops, schools — and even a milk factory. It has repeatedly blasted the international airport that was the symbol of Lebanon's rebirth from 15 years of war.

Kaerouan: Jounieh, Aayoun elSimane

Lebanon's Day 6: Lebanon Death Toll Rises!
Three missiles hit an LBCI transmission station at Fatqa in Kesrouan, killing the chief employee there.

Minleh-Dinnieh: Marjahin
Koura or Bacharre : Ehden
El Metri: Sannine
Baabda: El Mdairej

According to UT logic (that has no Israeli bias?), these are Hezbollah cities only because they are Lebanese cities? They are outside of what UT says is Hezbollah areas. Therefore the poplulation must be killed by Israeli warplanes.

By my count, Akkar province alone had eight attacked cities. Who did the Akkar people elect in their 2005 elections? 3 Sunnis, 1 Alawite, 1 Maronite, and 2 Greek Orthodox. So why is Israel bombing eight Akkar cities? UT tells us this is a Hezbollah stronghold? Or maybe UT never learned how often Israel lies? Clearly fake photographs demonstrate that only Arabs lie.

One can again believe a lying American president because one feels the truth. Same president that also lied about weapons of mass destruction even after he knew those weapons did not exist. Or one can again first learn facts. There was no Hezbollah in Beirut Airport no matter what UT claims. Even UT's own maps show no Hezbollah in cities that Israeli warplanes attacked. Provided are news reports of some Israeli attacked Lebanese towns in areas even UT says are not Hezbollah strongholds. But this cannot be. Israelis don't lie - if you believe George Jr and Israeli propaganda.