Keith Olbermann is your daddy

Skunks · 09-28-2006, 03:20 AM

He has begun eloquently and publicly calling the Bush administration on their bullshit, and it is beautiful. In some ways, this is just the latest in a gradual, exponentially-accelerating trend of more reputable, mainstream, and loud criticisms: in my mind the past months have marked the first, excruciating step towards something which one day may resemble a genuine discussion of the events that surround us. It is refreshing to see that past events have begun to resurface and be reexamined in a context that casts them as slightly more than a shallow ploy by one side or another.

A few highlights:

on Donald Rumsfeld(8/30/06)

on the current state of ground zero (9/11/06)

on Bill Clinton's interview with Chris Wallace (9/25/06)

on the Bush administration's al Qaeda lies & accountability (9/27/06)

Undertoad · 09-28-2006, 07:51 AM

In the piece in your third link, he calls Chris Wallace a monkey. Is that the sort of refreshing genuine discussion you mean?

He's the O'Reilly of the left. If you are in the same ideological location, you find it to be genuine. If not, you find it to be shrill.

Flint · 09-28-2006, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

If you are in the same ideological location, you find it to be genuine. If not, you find it to be shrill.

I can't stand reading some of the newspaper opinion pieces that I more or less agree with, because the authors are so mean-spirited they do more harm than good for their arguments. This is among the reasons that I prefer reading things that my gut reaction tells me I won't agree with. I pay more attention to that stuff. How else would I ever learn anything new? My distaste for "left versus right politics" is quickly becoming disinterest. I will never vote for Democrats or Republicans, ever again. Third party only, for me, any third party. I opt out of the boogeyman circus.

Spexxvet · 09-28-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

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He's the O'Reilly of the left. If you are in the same ideological location, you find it to be genuine. If not, you find it to be shrill.

Or he's a moderate and only O'Reilly-type consevatives think he's shrill. I wouldn't know - I've never watched his show.

Happy Monkey · 09-28-2006, 10:31 AM

He is shrill.

Unfortunately, shrill seems to work, and if there was no Olbermann, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, et al would still exist. Also, few of the so-called "liberal media" are willing to consistently raise some of the issues he does. Maybe they're afraid that some stories are so explosive if handled honestly that you can't be honest without seeming shrill.

headsplice · 09-28-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

In the piece in your third link, he calls Chris Wallace a monkey. Is that the sort of refreshing genuine discussion you mean?
He's the O'Reilly of the left. If you are in the same ideological location, you find it to be genuine. If not, you find it to be shrill.

Hmmm...how is he shrill again? He's actually got FACTS, rather than innuendo or outright lies (e.g., a Saddam-Al-Qaeda connection).
So, besides calling him a name, where's the substantive criticsm of his message?

Undertoad · 09-28-2006, 12:23 PM

That's like Ann Coulter complaining that people who criticize her didn't read her book.

Spexxvet · 09-28-2006, 12:39 PM

I'm not saying it's so, just putting it out there as a possibility.

Happy Monkey · 09-28-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

That's like Ann Coulter complaining that people who criticize her didn't read her book.

Perhaps, but the ones who have read her books are the ones with the best criticism.

Flint · 09-28-2006, 01:31 PM

I haven't read her books, but I know that "liberals hate America" . . .

Trilby · 09-28-2006, 01:36 PM

...and abortionists are Satan's spawn.

Happy Monkey · 09-28-2006, 01:36 PM

I should clarify - The ones who have read her books have the best criticism of her books. All you need to criticise her is to see her on TV or in print or on the web, etc.

Trilby · 09-28-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I should clarify - The ones who have read her books have the best criticism of her books. All you need to criticise her is to see her on TV or in print or on the web, etc.

Not to be ThreadHiJackMan, but some people, maybe a lot of people, seem to agree with Coulter. Maybe they agree with her silently in their hearts*

*I don't.

Flint · 09-28-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Not to be ThreadHiJackMan...

What does this therad have to do with Hugh Jackman?

WabUfvot5 · 09-28-2006, 02:43 PM

Double punishment. If Olbermann doesn't spew any harsh comments he's a soft tree-hugging liberal. If he does then he's mean and on par with O'Reilly.

09-28-2006, 03:20 AM	#1
Skunks I thought I changed this. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: western nowhere, ny Posts: 412	Keith Olbermann is your daddy He has begun eloquently and publicly calling the Bush administration on their bullshit, and it is beautiful. In some ways, this is just the latest in a gradual, exponentially-accelerating trend of more reputable, mainstream, and loud criticisms: in my mind the past months have marked the first, excruciating step towards something which one day may resemble a genuine discussion of the events that surround us. It is refreshing to see that past events have begun to resurface and be reexamined in a context that casts them as slightly more than a shallow ploy by one side or another. A few highlights: on Donald Rumsfeld(8/30/06) on the current state of ground zero (9/11/06) on Bill Clinton's interview with Chris Wallace (9/25/06) on the Bush administration's al Qaeda lies & accountability (9/27/06)

09-28-2006, 10:31 AM	#5
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 10,864	He is shrill. Unfortunately, shrill seems to work, and if there was no Olbermann, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, et al would still exist. Also, few of the so-called "liberal media" are willing to consistently raise some of the issues he does. Maybe they're afraid that some stories are so explosive if handled honestly that you can't be honest without seeming shrill. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| That's right! I cut my hand off!!! What do you \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| say to THAT, you bubble-talking HYPOCRITE?!? \|_______________\| [homepage][pics]

09-28-2006, 12:39 PM	#8
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,464	I'm not saying it's so, just putting it out there as a possibility. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

09-28-2006, 01:31 PM	#10
Flint _______ Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Posts: 11,193	I haven't read her books, but I know that "liberals hate America" . . . __________________ ************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

09-28-2006, 01:36 PM	#12
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 10,864	I should clarify - The ones who have read her books have the best criticism of her books. All you need to criticise her is to see her on TV or in print or on the web, etc. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| That's right! I cut my hand off!!! What do you \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| say to THAT, you bubble-talking HYPOCRITE?!? \|_______________\| [homepage][pics]

09-28-2006, 07:51 AM	#2
Undertoad Employable Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Valley Forge Natl Park Posts: 24,275	In the piece in your third link, he calls Chris Wallace a monkey. Is that the sort of refreshing genuine discussion you mean? He's the O'Reilly of the left. If you are in the same ideological location, you find it to be genuine. If not, you find it to be shrill.

09-28-2006, 12:23 PM	#7
Undertoad Employable Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Valley Forge Natl Park Posts: 24,275	That's like Ann Coulter complaining that people who criticize her didn't read her book.

09-28-2006, 01:36 PM	#11
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	...and abortionists are Satan's spawn.

09-28-2006, 02:43 PM	#15
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	Double punishment. If Olbermann doesn't spew any harsh comments he's a soft tree-hugging liberal. If he does then he's mean and on par with O'Reilly.

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